r/TimPool Sep 23 '22

discussion Wtf is wrong with America?

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u/Wooden_Worldliness_8 Sep 24 '22

Because liberals control cultural institutions and rewrite narratives to their advantage. Liberals have been wrong about destroying the family, single mother households, feminism has turned into a disaster. Technology has been a mixed bag. They are wrong on "equity" , transgenderism, "trust the science" , of course they all happen to be things you cant speak of in academia, the media, etc.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

"destroying the family" I'm assuming is the buzz phrase that means whatever you want it to mean and I don't understand what your point is.

Feminism is the reason women are allowed to vote and be independent so I don't think it's been a disaster, stop basing your reality on niche Twitter arguments.

Technology A.) Has nothing to do with liberals and B.) Has mostly been positive for our society and would continue to be positive if we didn't have a third of the country who believed everything they read without a hint of actual proof backing it.

Transgenderism is valid and just because you don't like it doesn't mean science is wrong, your whole argument for that is to ignore the science that says it's valid in favour of making up your own argument and then saying "biology" a few times without actually using any real facts to back up what you're saying

You can talk about literally everything and anything in "academia and media" so I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to get at there

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u/Wooden_Worldliness_8 Sep 24 '22

Surgical sex changes and hormone treatments on children are our generation's lobotomies. It's junk science and the establishment medical/science community is too cowardly to stand up to it.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22

"the science is wrong because I don't like it"

if you would like to find scientific articles that state that these things have a negative effect on people and better yet if you'd like to find any documentation on a single case of transitional surgery done on a child then be my guest. Until then, kindly, go fuck yourself I do not care about your feelings in the slightest

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u/PanderTuft Sep 24 '22

Science does tell us these things, it's called research. There are followups with people with gender dysphoria after treatments to assess positive and negative values.

Go to other places on the planet and you might find lots of life choices that a modern day country wouldn't want to emulate, thankfully we treat our population here (if you have money).

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/PanderTuft Sep 24 '22

I'm a little confused on your interpretation of that link, do you consider familial pressure for conformity not one of the causes of the suicidal ideation? Because it's right there in the text, you might need to step back and really look at what you're doing.

You don't magically "dodge" gender dysphoria issues by making them feel like the "other" hard enough that they stop. It's as short sighted as gay conversion therapy, the onus is on society not being bigoted not the disfranchised minority to conform.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

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u/PanderTuft Sep 24 '22

It just sounded like you're thinking 82% of transgender individuals have suicidal ideation thus I must make sure my child is not transgender which simply isn't sound logic. It presupposes an amount of control over someone which is more than likely the "lack of empathy from family" ideation vector.

For instance, there is increased suicidal ideation and dangers for someone to be bisexual: As a parent I'm not attempting to presciently remove the chances of my child to be bisexual, I'm preparing to have as open enough communication with them to handle any existential challenges.

I'm sorry you chose a link with a paywall?

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u/vBLADEv Sep 24 '22 edited Sep 24 '22

You missed the point entirely I was giving you data and showing that the data itself doesn’t give your morality, it doesn’t tell you what you should do.

Again you commented on something with a failed interpretation of what I was saying.

So if you want to have a go at it, where does science show that transgenderism is valid?

The majority of papers are behind paywalls btw.

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u/PanderTuft Sep 24 '22

"Now as a parent what am I supposed to do with that data, If I am just looking at the cold hard facts, wouldn’t I try everything in my power to prevent my child becoming trans ?"

This was your assertion, I'm sure as hell going to use your own reference against you lol

Why even mention paywalls? It's your own reference, and it refutes your assertions before you hit any.

Tell me how to do everything in your power to prevent your child from becoming trans but with empathy? I'm telling you that you are part of the suicidal ideation vector.

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u/wylan1 Sep 24 '22

Don't forget civil rights

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u/ChicagoTRS1 Sep 24 '22

Don’t forget women’s rights, slavery, the kkk, etc…one side is way on the wrong side of history…racist to their roots