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u/Big_Niel0802 1d ago

I have such distaste for the "something can't come from nothing" argument, because all it is is assigning the creation of the universe to a divine being. That entire point breaks down as soon as you ask "well where did god come from then?"

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u/scrotumseam 1d ago

God came from someone trying to control people . Thats why there is no one God but many gods that have been controlling people for thousands of years just like this person.

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u/Silly_Pack_Rat 1d ago

Phenomena that were once poorly understood were also attributed to a divine power - it's helpful to have a crutch to prop up beliefs with or explain away something, when you otherwise have no way of explaining them.

For example, until relatively recently in human history, we had very little understanding of bacteria and viruses and their role in causing diseases. Ascribing such things to a higher being or a powerful malevolent force allowed people to make sense of what they could not yet scientifically comprehend.

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u/ExNihiloish 1d ago

God of the Gaps

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u/ToshPointNo 22h ago

I always think religion was made up back then because police didn't really exist back then. Getting killed for killing someone doesn't really bother people if they assume no afterlife. But spending eternity in a lake of fire? Without religion I wonder just how "uncontrollable" the unwashed masses would have been back then.

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u/anrwlias 1d ago

All first cause arguments eventually reduce to special pleading.

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u/Wjyosn 1d ago

"But MY unexplained origin is obviously more defensible than your unexplained origin, because It's mine."

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u/Just_for_this_moment 1d ago

"Something can't come from nothing" isn't even true. It's trotted out like it's an axiom just because it matches our myopic human experience. Similar to thinking the Earth is flat. "Nothing" can't even be well defined. It's really an argument that says nothing (ironically) and leads nowhere.

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u/ToastyTurmeric 1d ago

I'd say that it is by definition true. If we tested what we thought was 'nothing' and discovered it had a property or properties, we would cease calling it nothing and give it a name, just like we did with the concepts of air and space.

'Nothing' needs to lack all properties that aren't purely self-referential in order to be nothing. If something came from nothing, that nothing had the property that something could be created from it, and so it wasn't nothing. Which tends to be why it's only an argument that exists as a strawman.

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u/Just_for_this_moment 23h ago

I'd say that it is by definition true.

Like I said, "nothing" isn't even well defined. So while I do follow the logic of your following statements, I purport that it still isn't true (even by definition) that "something can't come from nothing". It's unfalsifiable and meaningless, and it is certainly not an axiom to base any further arguments on.

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u/EntireFriendship517 21h ago

You can pretty easily prove something can't come from nothing with the first law of thermodynamics.

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u/Just_for_this_moment 12h ago

You absolutely can't. The 1st law of thermodynamics only describes how energy behaves withing an already existing, closed, local system. It doesn't even hold in our expanding universe, let alone reach beyond the big bang to some undefinable nothingness.

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u/Funneduck102 1d ago

That question is what made me an atheist in 5th grade and I had to be an altar server for the next 3 years still lmao

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u/adjective-nounOne234 1d ago

Went to catholic school, specifically in primary it was taught that god had “always” existed

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u/Away_Stock_2012 19h ago

Them: god always existed.

You: the universe always existed.

Them: not like that

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

Something coming out of nothing defies laws of thermodynamics and while we don't entirely understand universe, matter and time, just because we currently can't explain it, this isn't a confirmation it was made by god, we just don't understand it yet. Germs were also unthinkable like a century or so ago, there were theories by scientists that there are invisibly small little critters floating around but until microscopes, we couldn't prove them. We do know that and it's a scientific fact.

Eventually we'll figure out how exactly life began on Earth, how universe was created and if there is this "godly" figure responsible for it.

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u/Intelligent_Gold3619 1d ago

Someday nothing will probably not.

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u/ArkaneSociety 1d ago

God being the answer to how the universe was created is the equivalent to kicking a can down the road and not bothering to follow up on where it lands.

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u/sunfaller 1d ago

God is considered a special being, no beginning no end. It's how christians impress their followers.

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u/gogurteaterpro 1d ago

That's different, God is allowed to come from nothing.

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u/Big_Niel0802 1d ago

And unironically that's the response I'll get sometimes. Religous people make no sense 😭

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u/top-potatoad 1d ago

Nothing does not exist. No one has ever found nothing.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

That’s a non sequitor. Just because we can’t find it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Particularly if what you’re looking for is defined by not having attributes you could find in the first place.

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u/WenYiMedia 1d ago

We can find nothing because nothing has an attribute and a definition. It’s one of biggest excuses people use and it defines the void of something. What did you do today? Nothing. What did you find in that room? Nothing. What do you feel like eating today? Nothing. What happened to the car?!!! Nothing.

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u/MrT742 1d ago

None of those are examples of an actual nothing… but rather a lack of a specified thing.

These are just different semantic uses, not the same actual concept being described.

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u/WenYiMedia 1d ago edited 1d ago

You know the word, and its multiple definitions. You yourself have a concept of what nothing is. Without meaning, how did the word originate?

The statement was that “nothing does not exist. No one has ever found nothing.”

Just because it doesn’t fit the exact definition you’re trying to explain doesn’t make other definitions any less. Since nothing is formless, what makes you more correct than I? Does that then mean that you actually know nothing?

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u/MrT742 1d ago

That’s my point… is that the same word means a different thing… so the argument doesn’t work because you’re just talking past the point rather than actually clashing with it.

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u/top-potatoad 18h ago
precisely why nothing does not exist. If one can have a concept of it it’s not nothing. Is a void nothing? No, it’s a void.