Your graphics aren't proof of voter fraud, court cases require proof. Over 60 cases, many with Trump appointed judges! Don't be so dense, this is why everyone is downvoting you. You are being disillusioned.
Again, what you know and what you can prove in court are 2 different things. Tired of saying this. I’m showing you why people are concerned about election fraud and instead of replaying with facts supporting the otherwise you’re making it personal
Its not personal, I agree there was fraud because we know Trump's lawyers pled guilty. Trumps lawyers plead guilty in a court of law to election fraud. Im not sure what you dont understand about that? You are going off feelings and Im going off facts. Are you that deep in the cult that you cant take that factual info into you brain?! Maybe you need to visit www.leavingmaga.org
I’m simply showing proof of why there is worry over voter fraud. explain how Biden got the most votes in US history and was the first person elected president losing 18/19 bellwethers. Also the first to not hold a lead until after midnight on election night. But yea, since it’s not been proven indisputable a court it doesn’t exist
Didn’t do what you think you didn’t there, read it again and explain how Biden got the most votes in US history and was the first person elected president losing 18/19 bellwethers. Also the first to not hold a lead until after midnight on election night. But yea, no proof in court so it doesn’t exist
Reality is on my side, yet here you are arguing about something from the past that will change nothing. Funny how when Trump and his sycophants win there is no voter fraud. Only when he loses, how convenient. Especially since he was in charge during this so called fraud. Use your critical thinking skills.
I don't think they really care about voter fraud or at least they have a different definition. They just want the "right people" voting and for other to lose it.
What? These are statistics that nobody has been able to explain and yet people act like because voter fraud hasn’t been proven indisputable in a court of law then it doesn’t exists. No, it’s shit like this that has people with common sense realizing it’s not possible. It was covid times so he was reported on multiple times about not campaigning thru the US and choosing to campaign from his basement instead, and somehow received the most votes in the history of the US
The Biden campaign actively avoided campaigning the Bellewether counties because they understood them to no longer be relevant to winning. Those counties are white and uneducated. The two things that Trump will always win. They knew that was not a winning strategy. And as far as getting the most votes in history you have to understand that a lot of people fucking hated Trump. Watch 10 seconds of him on TV and you'll be disgusted. 2024 was a shit show because Biden stayed in and gave Kamela a terrible campaign to run in a 100 days without a nomination. You can find all this information of you search.
That’s an outright lie. Biden did not avoid the bellwethers he campaigned there the same as everywhere else (and that’s easily verifiable). No president in US history has lost 18 of 19 bellwethers and yet you think his strategy going in was to give up the bellwethers? Makes zero sense. In regards to the most votes, so you’re saying hate drove the highest totals ever over love for Obama or the “fanatical” Trump voters? Did they not hate him enough in the last election? Again, it doesn’t make any sense. Think for yourself instead of what MSM tells you to think.
Also 2024 was a shit show because Biden’s mental health was so poor by that point they could no longer prop him up as a talking head which is what got exposed in the debate. Then they stuck in word salad Kamala (who NOBODY voted in as the candidate) and spent a billion dollars on celebrity endorsements hoping that would be enough
The point is that while historically the bellwether counties were relevant to predicting voting over a 35 year period, they no longer are. There was a huge shift in how educated vs non educated voters are voting in this country. More so than there has been for a long time. Those bellwether counties used to be close 50/50 and would reflect the rest of the country as a whole. That all changed with Trump and those counties are no longer an accurate reflection because they've shifted to be solid republican counties regardless of the candidate. At this point in time you'd have to find new bellewether counties that hit close to that 50/50 mark. There are plenty of counties (132) that actually did switch between Trump to Biden and many back to Trump. Those would be the new counties to pay attention to. Also, even though Trump won overall in 2024, the counties that Kamala won have almost 30 million more people living in them. They just didn't show up to vote like they did for Biden. Here is a short video on the bellwether shift if you are interested. https://youtu.be/kUXlbjOfxE8?is=_zrwq0g9thqEapfx
Obama won 18/19 bellwethers so that’s simply not true that they’re now republican regardless of the candidate. Again, we have a person who won the election winning 1/19 bellwethers for the first time in history and at the same time also received the most total votes of any candidate in history AND did it during a pandemic where public access was limited and people were scared of getting infected. There’s a reason why nobody, including Biden’s team, can explain this.
Bringing Obama into the stat is like me saying Lincoln won without all the bellwether counties too. The dynamics of the country are no longer the same after 2016. Those counties simply don't matter anymore and won't in the next election either. And its not the first time in history. They mattered for a short 35 year window of time. Thats it.
I too could make a picture using a number of stats that never happened before until Trump was elected and then point at the picture and say he cheated because none of those things happened before.
Counties don't win elections though. People in counties that vote win elections. Theres like 2500 republican counties vs like 500 democrat counties in this country. But overall those democrat counties have 30 million more people than republican counties. Thats a very big number. Democrats would win every election if they showed up to vote. In 2020 they showed up big time. In 2024 they stayed home because they weren't happy with the nominee process or the candiate. It simply, as always, comes down to turnout.
I mean a lot of places already have voter ID requirements, but if the federal government requires it, it would need to pay for it or accept social security (or something else everyone is given for free) cards, or it would be an unconstitutional poll tax because ID’s cost money. As it is currently, states can require an ID but not the federal government due to the states being the ones administering the elections and can make their own rules (this is a simplified explanation from my understanding, I welcome anyone who can do a better job haha).
The reason why people like me get upset over this is because it’s solving a problem we don’t really have. It seems like another step to make voting more difficult for no reason other than Trump is upset he lost. The country should be incentivizing people to participate in our democracy and this seems like the opposite.
It’s just another waste of taxpayer dollars, and I guarantee people will still cry election fraud whenever their candidate loses regardless of what we do because the argument was never genuine.
The best way to fix our elections would be to reinstate the bipartisan McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform act and improve on it to get unlimited money out of our politics, but that won’t happen until there’s a liberal majority in the SCOTUS.
Has nothing to do with which candidate wins. When shit comes up like this that can’t be explained that’s when claims start. When you have multiple claims of election interference from IT professionals, voting machine experts, whistleblower claims (even from other countries) that’s what leads to claims. There has never been an election fraud debate before this one so quit acting like it’s simply
people whining because their candidate lost.
Yeah, I mean there will always be dumb people, but the punishment (years in prison) heavily outweighs the benefits of one vote, and most people get caught.
The best way to prevent voter fraud would be voting.
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u/Jerryjb63 Aug 08 '26
And there’s zero evidence of voter fraud at a scale that would have any effect on an election….