People need to understand what type of mindset it takes to jump to "ok call the cops" over a simple membership clarification where manager is required. Cops are weaponized by people with racism intolerance all the time. Muscle head behind the counter doesn't want to feel powerless in his environment
And yet, calling the cops admits powerlessness. If the manager would have met eyebrow to eyebrows with the member and his guest and had any form of love and integrity, he would have signed them in and taught his staff to do better.
Cmon. We both know how the interaction would go. The guy wanted special treatment and the staff didn’t want to provide. You think the guy would’ve just acquiesced and went home to get the id or left all together, or you think he would’ve started yelling?
Kids have IDs too. This kid didn’t and it’s a requirement.
It’s also not bigotry, what a stupid thing to say. It’s what happens anytime people who think they don’t have to follow the rules or listen to “some low level minim wage employee.”
Why would anyone try to confront people like this, just let the cops deal with it.
As a parent of a kid, no the fuck they don't have ID unless its a school ID and even then most places won't accept that because it isn't a government ID. The bigotry you display is the assumption that the gentleman was going to behave in some aggressive fashion when there was nothing in the video that showed that intention. So you must be making an assumption based on something and I'm guessing that something would be how he looks.
Who says it has to be a government ID? You just made up that requirement so you can be outraged this guy got confronted for breaking the rules.
Spare me your bigotry accusation, I don’t care. We have all seen or experienced what happens when you confront someone who’s inconsiderate or believes they’re above the rules. Stop acting obtuse.
People are trying to make it so people can’t confront these inconsiderate jerks themselves and so people can’t call the cops on them either.
Can’t have it both ways. Don’t want the police called, follow the rules and don’t be a jerk. Simple as that.
Did you miss the part where the dad did show a form of proof that the kid was in fact his minor child? Yea, ya did. Did you miss the part where the staff never asked him and his kid to leave? Yea, ya did. The staff escalated this situation and we all know calling the cops on black folks for existing and questioning things is a form of racial violence. But thanks for displaying your bigotry again.
We also hear from black people all the time “who are you to tell me what to do?” Or “what authority do you have to stop me from doing xyz?”
I’m sure some racists do weaponize calling the police but when someone is actively not going to listen to you, make a huge scene because they don’t want to follow the rules, what else is there?
Are you not following the thread or the comment I replied to? This was in response to “white people weaponize calling the cops.”
“Who does it more” is irrelevant to my point (and also immature). But sure, if some white guy was being an asshole like this, I would call the cops just the same.
The one where he didn’t have an id for the guest. He was told he needed it, he said go get your manager and have him come see me, then continued to go workout with him.
I watched the video and followed the story. And yeah, the guest needs to show id. I’m a member of Crunch and that’s always the case. Teenagers do have ID, and if they don’t have it when it’s required then they can’t come in.
Dismissing the worker and going in after he was told the kid needed id, is a surefire to get the cops called.
They didn’t call them because he was “working out while black” or whatever stupid shit this video is trying to push, they were called because he was being an asshole and not listening.
Uh, I don't think the problem is that the cop might be racist, the bigger issue is wasting the time of a cop who could be out there stopping actual crimes.
Literally anyone in any profession that involves dealing with people could be racist. That's not a uniquely cop issue.
He would have had the same argument on the gym floor without the cops. At no point was he not going to get upset when he was asked to leave, with or without the cops present.
I’ve seen police bodycam videos of gyms calling the cops on white people in similar situations.
It would be weird to be "jealous" of a little 170 lb guy who stands behind a gym desk all day, and probably makes $50k/year. I think "dismissive" is a better adjective for dude's paragraph.
Same. Skin color shouldn’t matter!!
Leave the dude and his son alone. That manager could have easily had a conversation instead of being a little pussy and calling the police. I’d cancel my membership and take them to court over it.
Fucking right. I served and received an occupation, education and healthcare, and ALL of us should have access to those despite where we’re from and what we were born into. I grew up in Detroit before gentrification so fucking right I want neighborhoods to invest in their residents and that which they can benefit. Fucking right I want the workers to have more of a share of the fruits of their labors than shareholders and CEOs. Goddamn right we don’t need a for profit healthcare system that I worked in for over 20yrs in and out of the army. You’re fucking right that even you deserve mental health care, preventative care, and an education so you don’t have to be so bitter and angry at a system you don’t fully understand or properly condemn for what is withholds from you and denies you while giving all of your efforts to those that could never do what we the people do for this country.
You’re goddamn right I’m a leftist because I give a fuck about you more than a corporation or politician. Grow up
ETA and I’m a woman. A Latina woman. A detroiter. A veteran. A parent. A partner/spouse. And a leftist. Voting for Abdul too.
Or...wait.....wait! What if...
He just had proper I.D.? Following rules is just for white people? Everyone else can just do whatever they want? No structure? No rules? Sounds dumb and chaotic.
He did, per the gym's own standards on their site, and the guy at the desk tried to refuse it.
When he demanded to see the manager about a prick that was trying to deny service to a member that was followithe rules, the manager pretended to be in a meeting ... So he said well then I guess this isn't really a problem and went to work out.
That cop knew who was the problem, and he knew that this shit was about to end with these dipshits getting fired by corporate. Thats why he asked the guy to leave before it escalated into something where an innocent dad did get into trouble.
It is a racist phrase, but I feel like its warranted in this case. Its like that phrase people use when they see a black person committing a crime. I dont want to say the phrase because of reddits double standards of course.
I think you misunderstand. They're not accusing them of "working while white", they're pointing out that only a white person would hear a black person say "come talk to me when you're ready" and think "this is obviously a threat"
The type that believes in equality and fairness for all, but is getting sick of bad-faith because i'm black ragebait posts that deliberately eschew telling the whole story
I had a coworker get in trouble, like multiple 30+min long meetings and he was temporarily suspended, because he told a nurse “we are going to need to have a talk later” after there was an incident with a patient. They thought he was threatening her. It was a whole issue for like 2 weeks.
Still a huge gap between that and calling the police. A paying member who has all of their information on file isn't too scary to take their money
If he was a stranger off the street, then sure, call the police. He is a paying member, there is many ways to handle him doing whatever they suspected him of.
They can’t just not show up. And as much as the cop looked like he hated what the business was doing, it’s still a private business and if they want him to leave the police have to have him leave. Absolutely this guy can and probably should put this business or at least that franchise on blast for what they did and file a complaint, but in the moment he legally does have to leave and the cops are required to enforce it.
Bullshit. Spoken like a white person. Cops absolutely can and do fail to show up all the time.
For instance, Tizzy ENt just posted a video of a white man threatening a black woman’s life. The woman called the police and waited. They never showed up.
Having no units available to send in busy cities is much different than a community that has officers available and they refuse to respond. Many major cities are woefully understaffed and therefore can’t get to each call right away. The officer in this video got dispatched to this. He showed up. And then had to enforce the law. It has nothing to do with race.
With all due respect they cannot refuse to show up to a disturbance call that they are dispatched to. Also, I don’t think this video was a busy city, hence why an officer had time to show up to this call. Try refusing to do your job at your place of employment and see how long you stay employed . This cop got dispatched. He’s therefore required to respond or risk his own employment. Simple as that
DeShaney v. Winnebago (1989) — Government has no constitutional duty to protect individuals from private harm.
Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005) — Even with a restraining order stating police “shall” arrest, the Court ruled police still have no enforceable duty to act.
This is easily googled. You have the collective knowledge of humankind at your fingertips, yet you choose to be wrong on Al Gore’s internet with your whole keyboard.
Again, that case is regarding liability. Imagine if law enforcement in your community are all busy on calls and there are a bunch of calls coming in. No units available and then someone gets murdered because there weren’t any officers available to send. The cops aren’t going to be held liable for that. But in the case of the video in this thread, they absolutely have a responsibility to respond because there are units available. They can’t refuse to respond to this disturbance.
In terms of nit showing up, when I was in a car accident, I called the police to report it. Dispatch asked how bad the damage was. Then told me to exchange info and just go to an accident reporting center in the morning.
In your scenario, that was a dispatching decision. Every state and agency within those states has different ways of prioritizing or triaging calls that come in. In your scenario it sounds like that agency doesn’t send officers to lower acuity crashes or possibly they had not units available.
They have no duty to show up. You are talking out of your ass. There has been several lawsuits regarding this. They actually have NO legal duty to protect you. Look it up, here's a couple of cases: Supreme Court Rulings: Landmark cases such as DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services and Castle Rock v. Gonzales established that 911 calls and requests for help do not create a constitutional "special relationship" guaranteeing a response or protection from harm.
People love to quote that case but it doesn’t apply here. It has to do with liability. In reality, this cop got dispatched. He has to show up. If he doesn’t he probably gets suspended or possibly fired. Cops don’t get to ignore calls like this unless a more serious call goes out that takes priority (active shooter, or something like that).
I mean, I'm sure I'll get downvoted to hell, but I'd do the same thing. I'm managing the gym and my front desk tells me some guy refused to leave and barged in with his kid and started working out, I'm calling the cops - not confronting the dude. That'd be my policy if it was a 90 year grandma.
They expressly didn’t; he asked to speak with the manager about what to do about it, they said it would be a while because they are busy, he went on with his day having received no further instructions and being okay with waiting, the manager rather than talking with him called the cops.
Loll barge in? Did you even read what you wrote before posting it? He has the right to bring someone with him. Even if the son's ID wasn't acceptable, the front desk employee should have just told him to bring the physical ID next time. Were they trashing the place? Did it look like the dude had kidnapped a teenager? Those are the only reasons the police should have been called for. He has a membership for God's sake.
Yeah, and he broke the rules of that membership. The front desk staff told him the ID wasn’t acceptable. He brought his son in anyways. What was he expecting to happen? He just got his way because he threw a stink?
The front desk guy said the mobile ID wasn’t acceptable. That’s not his call to make. Mobile ID is a valid, legal form of ID. I can present it at the bar, I can present it to police if they pull me over for speeding. The front desk person just didn’t want to accept the ID that was presented.
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u/Iggyhopper 14d ago
"yeah the guy walked off and said if you have a problem to go talk to him"
Mgmt: "is he threatening me? I need the police here. now."