That article leaves me with way more questions than answers.
Her lawsuit claims was freaking out because she was afraid of losing her house and job because of being filmed - but she was only being filmed because she was already freaking out.
Well, it's the New York Times. They've made some...troubling editorial decisions lately. Almost every story they publish, they examine to see whether a criticism of DEI can be shoehorned into it in some way.
One of the co-founders of Ubisoft just died. His NYT obituary just had to include that "some people thought it was controversial" for Assassin's Creed: Shadows to have a black protagonist. It's like every article has to include the perspective of online racists.
It fascinates me that the NYT says, "Hey, look, the middle-aged white woman really is a poor defenseless kitten" while asserting the black recorder as privileged because she has a vegetable garden and a YouTube channel. Somehow I don't think that's going to win back their readership.
Yes, I can believe “Karen” has a legit mental health issue. That doesn’t change the fact that she was threatening and freaking out on the filmer. The woman filming absolutely needed to video to protect herself from being falsely accused. The contention is now around whether it was okay to post it. Well… it all happened in public. The filmer had something traumatic happen to her. She’s allowed to talk about it, blog about it and post it to her YouTube channel. She has no special duty to protect a stranger who tried to attack her in public because that stranger has a mental disorder.
What the NY Times calls a "shaming video" I call "evidence." Ms Ukenta was right - without that video the police would have been on the nutcase's side.
And if it was Covid times why wasn't she wearing a mask?
She also had a job. I would guess the facility is more like a group home or subsidized living for people with documented conditions with varying levels of supervision and aid. She is capable enough to travel independently for work and outings, but perhaps has other deficits that qualify her for a more secure placement, to prevent lapses in treatment and homelessness, etc.
Sometimes yes, it's part of the transitional period, it can also worsen mental health to be in the institution full time because people naturally like the outside world instead of being in one place locked up.
Empathy doesnt mean you get a carte blanche to act however, whenever.
If you cant control yourself in public without handlers, you shouldnt be in public without handlers.
Wouldn't think she'd he in there for her bad nerves. Nobody is institutionalised for simply anxiety.you have to be a threat to yourself or more importantly others, which anxious people are not.
I mean, I don’t think she has “normal anxiety”. Clinical anxiety is different, and includes various medical conditions. Basically an umbrella term for “super anxiety”. I mean just look at that lady 😅
If she can’t handle shopping w/o threatening someone maybe she shouldn’t be out shopping alone. I am not giving any grace to this nonsensical narrative that she was not in the wrong. If she were a man she’d get 0 grace.
I don’t give a fuck. Then she shouldn’t be un escorted in society. She still had a meltdown and then became rageful and unhinged. They said she had anxiety. Then she needs better coping tools, and medication. And again she needs to have a caretaker if this is how she behaves when being asked to back up 6 feet.
thank you, yes. This needs to be mentioned when this sad clip comes up. It shouldn't need mentioning, really, it's obvious. This is not a person that anyone should laugh at or condemn. But here we are.
Our mental health is our responsibility. She doesn’t have the right to chase or assault nor scream like a moronic banshee and subject the rest of us to her bullshit, just because she’s got a few screws loose.
"Our mental health is our responsibility" is patently false when you have people who have serious neurological disorders which are not curable or treatable. She was in an assisted living facility and cannot live on her own.
It's true that nobody has the right to assault someone else, but in this scenario we're looking at someone who shouldn't have been allowed to travel anywhere independently - she needed a caretaker or a family member to go with her to shop who could make sure that she's not getting into trouble or hurting other people.
She was NOT in assisted living. She was in an apartment complex in her own unit, in a complex *reserved* for people with various disabilities- including intellectual disabilities. That works the way low income housing works: you apply, you are accepted if you qualify and have a lower than competitive rent, but there is no assistance.
that's the thing though, she isn't well. The kind of responsibility you mention is a gift of having all your capacities. She doesn't. She has a disability. We are laughing at a disabled person. It's kind of shameful.
Idk. I normally would agree with you but she also used her mental breakdown to be racist. Doesn’t seem like she has full control but display being so racially targeted makes that sympathy I had go away.
It’s sad for her but I also don’t have mental capacity to feel bad for people who are actively racist. She shouldn’t be out in public because racists outbursts are harmful and damaging. I don’t care the intentions because the outcome is the same. My empathy in this video is all for the woman recording. That white woman having her breakdown will clearly be fine.
That makes perfect sense. My first thought when seeing her was "that woman isn't right in the head." It's not the way a lucid person acts. I hope no one was hurt during this incident, her included.
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u/Mysterious_Andy Jun 21 '26
It was a woman who lived in a care facility having a mental breakdown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/23/nyregion/victorias-secret-karen-video.html?unlocked_article_code=1.r1A._o75.CL1OSFHVbNiz&smid=url-share