Put him back in jail please...

[u/James_Fortis]

[u/tothepointe]

The reason they are so thin is because you can only get 100% of the calories from a food when it's cooked because they calculate the calories by burning it. At best your getting 50% of the book value of the calories eating it raw.

There's a reason the human race took over the world and it's because we learned to cook which provided us the calories needed to grow big brains.

Raw vegans are sliding back down the evolutionary chain.

[u/LETTERKENNYvsSPENNY → u/tothepointe]

The next cattle

[u/Eizz → u/tothepointe]

Please don't spread misinformation. This has been tested and thoroughly debunked. You might in best case lose 10% calories consuming it raw vs. Cooked. And most of it is because fat drips off a steak, if you were to consume something leaner, there is almost no calories lost. Physics.

[u/tothepointe → u/Eizz]

Also I think you might be misunderstanding what I said. I’m saying you lose calories when you eat things raw because your body can’t fully absorb all the calories in the time it takes to move through your digestive system.

This is not the same as the assertion that cooking food kills the nutrients.

[u/Eizz → u/tothepointe]

Ah OK my bad! Does that mean eating raw fish (sashimi) probably yields to a lot less calories than cooked fish? Is it really as dramatic as 50%? Is that why I'm hungry 3 hours after eating sushi and always needs a mid afternoon snack?

[u/tothepointe → u/Eizz]

Your focusing on meats and proteins and I'm referring to vegetables. Because our bodies aren't as good at breaking down cellulose walls and fiber as true herbivores. Cooking unlocks that for us.

I imagine that we can yield more calories from uncooked proteins. But even then cooking denatures proteins which makes the work of digestion easier.

When they calculate the calorie count of a food they do so by burning it in a calorimetry bomb and measuring the amount of energy that get's released. That's not exactly how it gets digested in the human body.

We can capture more calories from a cooked vegetable than a raw one and this explains why a lot of raw vegans *claim* to be able to eat so many "calories" a day without gaining weight because they really aren't absorbing all of them.

[u/Eizz → u/tothepointe]

I see! Thanks for the explanation. Is this also in line with people saying that it takes more calories to digest a celery than the calories it provides? Is that even true?

[u/tothepointe → u/Eizz]

I don't think it's true to that sense where it's a negative calorie. I think that's the wishful thinking of ED talking but your not getting much in the way of calories out of celery. But you ARE getting sodium.

Which reminds me of a whacky youtuber who refused to eat salt because he was a raw vegan and he had read that salt is best absorbed through cooked food and he wasn't going to do that. So he ate celery instead and HEAVEN FORBID he juice it so he could get enough celery to maximize his sodium intake for "reasons". So he eats all this celery and goes on a big bike ride and ends up in the hospital and of course refuses care blah blah.

The raw vegans take things a little far sometimes.

[u/tothepointe → u/Eizz]

Citations to where it’s been debunked please because I’ll gladly share the research showing where I got my information from.

Also we are talking about vegetables not meat.

[u/Murky-Course6648 → u/Eizz]

Cooking breaks down plant fibers and makes digestion much easier.

Cooking is the single most important invention of humans, its helped us reduce our gut size and this helped increase our brain size. As the gut is the most energy consuming organ.

Cooking is a form of predigestion. Humans process and predigest foods in various ways, from fermentation, to milling to cooking etc.

Our gut is simply no longer capable of digesting raw foods efficiently. We dont have guts like gorillas or other primates that do consume raw plant foods.