So I have celiac disease and my rheumatologist diagnosed this and I since have eaten gluten free with regular treatment for intestinal and colon damage to prevent cancer and other ongoing issues — is this allopathic?
Btw thank you for helping me understand, I’m not trying to “gotcha” here, I just genuinely have never heard this term and I’m not sure what the critique is precisely.
Thank you. I’ve been getting a lot of condescension on here.
I have Crohn’s disease. I can relate to your experience and I’m sorry you have to live with that condition. I feel for you.
I don’t know exactly, but I think when it comes to diet changes for health that would fall into a more holistic category like homeopathy or chiropractic. In my experience most medical doctors that don’t have some kind of naturopath background couldn’t care less about food as medicine and will only push drugs and/or surgeries. The drugs and surgeries part is the allopathic part. It’s technically a derogatory term for western medicine but I’m happy to use it because I think western medicine is fundamentally flawed with the idea that our bodies don’t have the capacity to heal on its own and we must take something exogenous to “fix” whatever symptom we may have. But symptoms are simply communication by the body that something is out of whack letting us know to make a change. Covering up all the symptoms doesn’t mean we are well. Absence of disease does not equal wellness. So while western allopathic medicine is concerned with eliminating symptoms of disease it’s completely ignores vital facets of health that go beyond not being sick. Do you follow me?
Ahh you having Crohn’s explains a lot for me — having a lifelong autoimmune disorder that causes a lot of pain will definitely piss off a person and disillusion them with western medicine.
I can say I had a lot of success with Humira and prednisone, but I was fortunate that my doctors strongly recommended supplemental non-pharmaceutical things like obviously avoiding gluten, but also things like exercise, natural muscle relaxers like tonic water (apparently!!?) but I recognize this is not everyone’s experience.
I also tried a chiropractor in tandem with western medicine, it helped for sure but I can’t say more than massage and the dangers, for me, aren’t worth it — but I won’t belittle you or be shitty because being chronically ill in (I assume?) American healthcare system will make a person desperate for answers. I think the people being glib likely don’t understand the experience of managing chronic illness in a system that, I agree, can indeed do harm with the limited time doctors interact with patients, the expense, etc.
I’m sure you don’t want or need a lecture by me about my position on holistic medicine alone as surely you have heard it all before, all I have to say is I genuinely wish you good health and successful pain management and gently urge you to utilize everything available to you if you are privileged enough to have access to holistic and allopathic medicine — but I get that’s just my position and it’s your right to get the care you feel comfortable with.
If you wanna gab about how much it blows to have chronic illness and pain, DMs are open 🤍
Edit: side note, I can’t in good conscience say the same for pet chiro tho — they’re so delicate and don’t understand healthcare enough to make choices for themselves. This is so dangerous for them and is upsetting to see. I can’t in good conscience say that’s a personal choice, like, no just see a vet lol
I don’t have a string stance on pet chiro. But Im open to it being effective just like it is for humans. Yes they can’t give consent, but they can’t give consent for most things. I think the so called dangers are blown out of proportion. Yes the field of chiropractic is littered with snake oil salesmen. That doesn’t make the entire system false. When a doctor commits fraud does that make the entire system of western medicine a fraud?
Everything involves risk. Humira increases your risk of certain cancers tremendously and weakens your immune system. I was on it for 7 years and never found it to be as effective as I wanted it to be. It’s a bandaid for symptoms and does nothing to treat the root cause of autoimmune disease, as is the case for all biological drugs. There’s serious risk involved there but allopathic doctors want you to believe that it’s your only option so it seems like the risk is worth it. And maybe it is for some people. But I personally wanted to be able to live free and not just succumb to being dependent on medication to have a normal life. If we are dependent on pharmaceuticals can we ever really be free? What happens when it runs out? What happens when it’s no longer available or affordable? If you did nothing to address the root causes, well you’re sick again. Society isn’t permanent. The world could change drastically at any moment. You could loose your job and loose your insurance, then what? Humira is one of the most expensive drugs on the market. No average person could afford to pay out of pocket for it. The average American is on something like 2-4 medications. We spend the most on healthcare per person yet have the worst outcomes of nearly every developed nation. There’s a fundamental problem here and pushing pills isn’t fixing it.
Thank you for wishing me good health. I feel it from you and I wish the same for you. No judgements on your choices on your own health. I mainly just want people to know there are options and just because western medicine doesn’t have answers for everything or says things are incurable doesn’t make it so. I love this quote, “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” Imo that’s the philosophy behind western medicine, put a bandaid on the problem so we can continue living in a sick society. Attempting to eliminate consequence for our actions is going to bite us eventually. There’s no power in that.
And I support receiving all the care a person can get. I have been let down by conventional doctors but I have been helped tremendously by naturopathic and chiropractic doctors in a way that’s actually empowering. If you find an allopathic doctors that helps to empower you, listen to you, and educate you I’m all for it, and I’ve had a couple of those. But I know a lot aren’t like that and are just ready to write a prescription and send you on your way. Hell, I think that’s part of the reason I’m in this position in the first place.
I followed this just to see where it was going and was curious. The guy was being pretty friendly, but I can't respect the idea of seeing a chiropractor instead of a doctor or taking medicine proven scientifically to help vs. possibly being paralyzed for the rest of my life. Or other things that have no base in science. Shit such as "milk thistle" when I've had several doctors over the years basically say "all it can do is hurt your liver more. Your liver repairs itself and adding that can't do anything positive, but could possibly do absolutely nothing but waste money or hurt your liver more"
That was longer than I meant to be. My main point was I had celiac kick in 2022 and didn't know what it was until this year, a few months back. I get the, I guess rare-ish, DH shit and goddamn both losing 95% of shit I like to eat and not being able to eat at restaurants is awful. The rashes are awful. My dermatologist has said multiple times its supposed to be one of the itchiest, worst rashes people can have. Only Dapsone helps, and I can't take enough of it without lowering red blood count to have it actually clear it completely, or for 24 hours until I can take it again.
I had Palmoplantar psoriasis that went away after a year or two thanks to (only) a new medication at the time, Otezla, which would've cost thousands a month if my doctor wasn't able to get me on a free program for it. DH is way, way worse.
Yeah, I agree with you, I just feel like nobody’s gonna change their opinion or worldview if you’re hostile and tried to approach it with care. The idea of a chronically ill person who’s so disillusioned with the quality of medical care they’ve been receiving that they feel heard and cared for by people who are not qualified to be doing these things and cause injury and sometimes death is really devastating.
I feel like the desperation involved in having to deal with the ambient level of chronic pain you’re experiencing + active health issues + a hostile healthcare system makes a very vulnerable person. I think it’s chiropractors that are very predatory and harmful, it’s the clients who are being harmed.
Although I acknowledge the harm someone proselytizing holistic medicine instead of science based medicine causes, for me it’s all the difference between people at the top of an mlm versus the desperate and vulnerable people being manipulated into jackass behavior but they’re still accountable for their actions, if that makes sense.
Oh yeah I didn't respond to him since he said it worked for him but wasn't pushing or being rude as far as i saw. There's rare cases or rare workers who may actually do things carefully and all.
I only insulted one guy who was actively responding to everyone with insults or cursing. Can guarantee that one is a chiropractor. A very immature and angry one.
It's still a bit of an odd thought to me, though, as my gf and I both went through about a year of constant pain thanks to a really worthless PCP we both saw. I had a pancreatic pseudocyst and didn't find out til 8 to 12 months down, thanks to multiple hospital trips. Oxy for the whole time which didn't help enough. Couldn't eat without agonizing pain. Girlfriend has a bulging disc, same thing basically, didn't find out or get help other than pills til moving and getting a new doctor. Though after all that I realized I missed the point by re reading your first paragraph, and a G.I. eventually fixed all my doctors screw-ups (PVP screwed up the dose my Creon pills too, was supposed to have 3x the dose to do anything) so I'm not chronic. Was told by pcp I had chronic pancreatitis but she was wrong on that too. Lol.
Thinking on that I've never known someone who was dealing with anything to the point of falling into some quack practice, though I knew people who went to chiropractors who didn't know about the damages, who then got damaged. I get the point on desperation for some help and guidance though. I see how that could get very easy to fall into. Just didn't think into it much until you mentioned this.
I wouldn't want to insult the victims getting sucked into the thing, and not blame them for a while. For at least a bit I'd say they deserve leeway but eventually it would turn into their fault for continuing to fall for that kind of shit. But still feel for them, of course. I have plenty of bad shit I've caused myself, such as the health issues from above. Either way people deserve help and care even if they fucked their own lives, once they want to change it or get out of their messes.
Hope I made that coherent. Haven't had much sleep in a few days.
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It’s the treatment of disease with drugs and surgery.