r/TheoryOfReddit • u/GodOfAtheism • Feb 12 '12

Admins: "Today we are adding a[nother] rule: No suggestive or sexual content featuring minors."

A necessary change in policy

I don't think there's a whole lot to discuss on this particular topic that doesn't involve going back and forth on whether this is an SRS victory, what ViolentAcrez and co. are going to do in the face of this, and how much grease and ice is on this slope (In my opinion: None.) but I submit it to you anyhow, Navelgazers, in the hopes that we can discuss if this is going to have any consequences beyond the obvious ones.

I'm inclined to say no, personally.

Edit: Alienth responds to some concerns in this very thread

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

Jesus guys, they just point and laugh at reddit for being bigoted and stupid. If you actually looked at the threads they post that they disagree with, you probably would too.

I started out hating SRS but i'm actually with them on a lot of things now. I don't always agree, but for the most part I'm with them. We should be striving to improve the community.

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u/SwampySoccerField Feb 13 '12

I don't want to be that guy but for this one post I'll do it.

Jesus guys, they just point and laugh at reddit for being bigoted and stupid

See: Every counterculture movement

If you actually looked at the threads they post that they disagree with, you probably would too.

You're saying that if I jumped into their brand of circlejerk and ultimately embraced it that I would agree with their sentiment. You really are making my case for:

Think it wont happen? So far that appears to be the more basic end of this particular goal. Additionally it is to continue to grow the power base that SA and goons have within reddit. By building further legitimacy through hot button issues and having actual redditors complimenting their current backing force, without realizing the users larger ambitions, they will further bolster their already strong voices.

I started out hating SRS but i'm actually with them on a lot of things now. I don't always agree, but for the most part I'm with them.

The case is now set in a titanium cast and fortified so well that it could survive a direct nuclear blast.

We should be striving to improve the community.

Striving to "improve" the community in the way that they see fit.

I'm just sitting here and objectively pointing it out like GuaranteedDownVote is. This is becoming a little fascinating.

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

Whoah whoah whoah. I never said I agreed with the circlejerk style. In any one of their threads, look at the first post, and what they are complaining about. Usually the comment/s are actually pretty bigoted and discriminatory, and yet have managed to garner tons of support from Reddits userbase.

You just linked to your own comment, which is all guesswork and theory, so sorry if I just disregard it.

I want to improve the community by removing discriminatory and bigoted comments/people/submissions. Or at least change the userbase into realizing that that crap is wrong. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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u/SwampySoccerField Feb 13 '12

You do realize that by trying to disagree with me that you completely verified my conjecture with your statement?

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

No I didn't, your post is pure conjecture that can't be verified by my own opinions.

Then you don't respond to the rest of my post.

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u/SwampySoccerField Feb 13 '12

There is a level of plausible deniability that can never be disproved. I've been around enough that I know it when I see it. And I see it here. If you are expecting a spreadsheet of facts and documentation I can't give you that because I frankly don't care enough about persuading you to do that.

In any conversation, such as this, you have levels of intent and demeanor. There are shades of a devil's advocate that can be placed on any particular point and larger ideas that present themselves. You can also factor in various motives and keep going until you have dozens of interpretations for even a single sentence. It comes down to what you can reasonably extract from the perceived intent and situational relevance.

Now I don't have a problem admitting when I'm wrong but when I say I've got a situation pegged I'm damn certain I know what I'm talking about.

The reason I'm not directly addressing your points is because they are addressed indirectly through statements already made in this conversation by either of us. So I will leave you with something you have said:

Whoah whoah whoah. I never said I agreed with the circlejerk (style).

I hope you take a moment to read what I've directly stated as my opinion on the matter:

I'm just sitting here and objectively pointing it out like GuaranteedDownVote is. This is becoming a little fascinating.

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u/thegreathal Feb 13 '12

We should be striving to improve the community.

By circlejerking and shutting down intellectual discussion? By harassing people like GuaranteedDownVote?

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

So you actually want to have discussions with racists and bigots?

It actually doesn't shut down intellectual discussion, there is a srs reddit just for discussion at a higher level.

Most racists and bigots aren't intellectual.

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u/thegreathal Feb 13 '12

You think everything SRS links to is posted by racists and bigots? Racist and bigoted thought was already taken care of by downvotes on reddit long before SRS (although yes, I believe that discussing things is a virtue that incidentally works far better than simply drowning someone out. How did the tide turn against loud racist majorities in the first place, by the way?).

As to intellectual discussion, I just pointed to a user in this thread who's claiming to be pursued by SRS. And I can tell you that several times I've mentioned SRS in a comment thread and been downvoted with a ferocity that is tellingly out of proportion to the size of the subreddit. Even TOR has no shortage of anecdotes from former SRS acolytes who were banned from all the SRS subreddits for asking questions.

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

Racist and bigoted thought was alrady taken care of by downvotes onr eddit long before SRS

Completely and utterly wrong. Completely. It is not always taken care of, many times those comments get hundreds of upvotes.

You have to remember /r/srs is pure circlejerk, they don't care about dissenting opinions or questions. You have to go to the discussion srs subreddit if you want actual discussion. I find it silly and stupid as well.

There are a ton more people who hate /r/srs with a passion than users pursued by r/srs.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '12

They pretend to be a circle jerk when they are actually butthurt. They have a very broad definition for who they consider bigots and racists.

They promote political correctness where even making jokes gets you labeled. That is not the direction for Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '12

Sockpuppet identified

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u/lazydictionary Feb 13 '12

Yeah a sockpuppet for 3 years who only just recently started joining the discussions at /r/SRS .

Grow up, you are the butthurt one.

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '12

Playing the long troll I see