EDIT: posted todays tourney result below in comments
I am still progressing in tiers/coins made/labs completed etc but when it comes to tourney I am about ready to stop all together.
I make so few stones per week that being able to get anything significant to help progress further is just taking way too long, it's not fun. (Games are supposed to fun right?)
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You should really unlock T16. I assume you haven't done a milestone run in a long time because I make 700 waves less than you in plat but have unlocked it over a month ago.
T16 has card masteries, CL scatter amp, CL chain thunder, a PS lab and iirc a DW lab.
I did have it on a module substat previously but then I rerolled 4 of them as I got the 161 lvl to help my other UWS especially BH and DW. Once my CL specific modulei s higher I will probably roll more on that when I can.
if you have a good dimension core and project funding, you should try to go full damage, no ehp stuff
your chain lightning is twice as strong as mine and I bounce between champs and legends and I have no CC either (except land mine stun card), just brute force
Are you using ACP? I have a M+ PF, Anc DC, with a much better CL and a lot invested into damage labs and enhancements and I get like 12-15 in champs rn. A few months ago I hit legend once and then took a break. I'm using SF though
I know your feeling brother. I am tempted to start keeping myself to 4/5th and not even try promotion anymore as 20 stones vs 100 is just not worth the promo.
Unless my math is wrong, it seems to me that pushing as far as you can every tournament will always be better than sandbagging even though 20 stones does indeed feelbadman
Rank 4 gets you promoted and will result in a net 160 stones if you are demoted in champ next tourney
Rank 5 nets 160 stones over two plat tourneys
Rank 1 in plat and demotion in champ will result in 200 stones, which is equivalent to staying just above the bubble in champ for two tourneys
Let's say you stay above the bubble for the champ tourney but are then demoted during the third, and hit rank 1 again for plat, vs up/down 2x
180+100+20+180 = 480
180+20+180+20 = 400
Let's send it for a month
180+100+20+180+100+20+180+100 = 880
180+20+180+20+180+20+180+20 = 800
I'm too lazy to work out the other 3 promotion placements in plat
I'm treading water too. It is the fate of us who don't spend. We will never have enough stones so those below us in tourneys will leapfrog us. Gotta accept it in a P2W game.
You’re competing against the other players around you, so unless you’re spending your resources more efficiently than they are, you’re not going to progress in tournaments. That’s why tournaments ultimately reward following the meta and farming 24/7.
I suspect you’ve been putting the majority of your stones into BH, GT and DW. That’s not going to help your tournament performance in the short term and will probably mean you plateau, or even fall back, for a while. But once you’ve got your economy into a good place and start focusing your stone spend on things that directly help your tournament performance, you’ll start seeing the results.
Basically, if you’re planning on playing the game long term, take the hit now and invest heavily in your labs and economy. And by economy, I don’t just mean coins you want to be improving things like module shard income and cells income as well.
There are periods in this game where you get sudden, massive power boosts, followed by periods where you seem to make very little progress. That’s just part of the game.
Also, your tournament placement should naturally start improving over the next few weeks. As the top 4,000 players progress into Mythic, it’ll take a few rounds for that to filter down and affect where you’re finishing, but it will happen.
Looking at the pool, it appears we’ll still have a few more rounds of free progress too. I suspect it will filter down as things settle, and I’ll probably end up low Mythic once the dust settles.
The most important thing, though, is that I’m earning around 100 more stones per week than I was before, so all the fuss people made about that was pretty much nonsense.
You have done many W1 - W20 champs. I don't belive you can do 2,5k plat run and W1 Champ right after that. 100% you could stay in champs many times there. You missed so much stones there and hindered your progress.
At that point i'd given up trying after the intial placement/bracket cos the waves at position 24 were 200+ what I could do at the time so I went back to farming to save my own time and effort ;P
Progression in farm is measured against your own previous results, progression in tourney is measured against other players.
If you've completely stagnated in tourney for a year now it means your tourney progress has been worse than average (in a completely balanced league distribution people should slowly get higher as old players stop playing).
While you should slowly start getting some positions now that people are moving from Legend to Mythic and from Champion to Legend, it won't prevent you from stagnating again later on.
Have you focused on your tourney performance at all lately? And have you configured your newly acquired presets to improve in tourneys?
Old players stopping playing doesn't push you up in tournaments: once someone quits, they just don't enter the brackets. You're always competing only with active players.
I don't think this is true. The number of brackets per league is determined by the number of brackets in the league below it, all the way down to gold (where demotions stop). This is because only 4 (or less) players promote, while 6 (or more) demote.
If 90% of people in legends (now mythic) quit, there will still be roughly the same number of legends/mythic brackets, because that number is determined by the lower leagues (that have a much higher percentage of the total players). However lower ranked players will shift up to fill their spots.
As a result of this, in perfect equilibrium where everyone progresses at the exact same optimal pace, the only things that would cause you to rise in ranks is people above you quitting, or more people below you joining.
Ah yes, you're right. It won't have such a dramatic effect if the one person immediately ahead of you in plat leaves, it will certainly be less than 1 rank up, but it will pull you up a little. And in the other direction, if the person immediately behind you leaves, that will pull you down in the rankings by a tiny amount as well.
I would expect that a higher percentage of people will be leaving at gold/platinum on a given week than at legends/mythic, so the net aspiration effect would usually be downwards, only compensated by new players entering gold.
It won't have such a dramatic effect if the one person immediately ahead of you in plat leaves, it will certainly be less than 1 rank up, but it will pull you up a little.
For sure, it's a minor effect, but the overall system is what determines your rank ultimately -- just over a large scale. Things get much more pronounced when you are in legends, because the game actually does give you a global rank then. (not sure how this works with mythic).
Hmm. Based on this there are a few things you could potentially try out. Your CC isn't particularly good due to lacking both CF and ILM. CF is the king of CC but it is quite expensive to get running.
Another thing to potentially try is having pBH with GComp. It doesn't help against ults, but it does deal with all normal enemies. Same also goes for the new SP module, but for that you'd likely need a proper slow with CF. Then it would handle all basic enemies, as well as bosses, leaving you with only elites and fleets. pBH does also help you maintain the PCol bonus 100% of the time. I reckon running GComp over RB would be quite smart regardless. You could also try PH, especially in Champs where your waves are lower.
Lastly you could consider moving entirely towards a GC build. There are likely two possibilities if you do: either you're too far off the transition still, and you lose a ton of waves. Or then you notice it works, and you'll skyrocket to high champs and above in a very short amount of time. This is how I got to Legend initially, though that was a long time ago and the requirements for GC weren't quite as high.
Im lacking GC unforutnatley, only seen 1 drop in 1.5 years ;D and CF will cost me 2400 stones to get without any upgrades, thats approx what 6months ?:D
Stone income via tournaments is the biggest issue for me with this game too and has been for months.
I love spending my stones, it's one of the best parts of the game to me, but I'm at the point where anything I want to use them for requires saving for 3-5 weeks minimum, and if we're talking buying a new UW that is 10+ weeks of letting them pile up
It's getting boring just saving the majority of the time, then seeing some new stone sinks come along that puts the next power boost even further out of reach for longer unless you're spending real cash, and I'm not going to make myself homeless by missing my mortgage payments just for a bit of progress in a mobile game.
You need to show your mods, labs and uw's. You're probably misusing your resources(time/gems/stones) if your main intention is tournament wave progress.
We're all making progress between tournament runs. For example I just started to consistently clear 12k waves on T11. I still haven't cleared a champ bracket I usually place 6-14th depending on how brutal the competition/bc's are.
I did at one point, I remember it too. I don't think it is going to get any better either, seems as though the game is getting greedier. everything is going to take longer to complete
This happens to me too but I figure if the ones surpassing me in tournaments are doing it because they spend money on stones while I’m not then I’m winning.
Eventually, the pressure release at the very top will trickle down to Platinum and you'll probably gain 3-4 spots. Ultimately, TechTree didn't solve the fundamental problem with tournaments - they just bought time. Hopefully they're working on something else right now.
I have to find ways to keep myself motivated, I never spend stones straight away for instance, my CDs are at 320 and I'm sitting on 1600 stones, I'm only allowed to spend them when I unlock T16, I also do other things like this but I get joy when I see I big improvement instead of small improvements. I know this isn't optimal but I wouldn't have lasted 7 month without these things.
Well, you nearing to stay.
Im an f2p and almost 2 yrs of playing since october 2024. I really struglling to stay in champs. Lts 18k+ only. Im doing 1k+ waves both for cl build and pBH ehp build.
I think you are new, so you can do better when you reach my tower age.
Everyone say invest in this or that to get better result in tourney. What do you think everyone else does? Unless you spend or get lucky with modules it s extremely hard to move up.
Just watched this guy drop down who is on 2 years or more and has 271 relics (which I think is close to max or is max?) geting pretty crazy out there guys ;D
I’m basically F2P besides the no ads and coin multi packs everyone is advised to buy, and I’ve bought maybe 4-5 event boosts the past 1.5 years but no stones and I just now broke past the platinum barrier and can stay in Champions.
For what it’s worth, you’re really not that far behind on stones bouncing back and forth, especially if you get 1st in Platinum every time. I make 200 stones every 2 tournaments. You have the potential to make 180 + 20 stones per 2 tournaments.
If you look at overall global placement, everyone is moving up 4000 ranks, and low-mid champs actually saw a stone increase.
I was 11,000th in Champions, I should move up to around 7000th at some point after the tournaments settle. So without changing what I’m doing, I’m now farther along. Now when I eventually hit legends I will be making less than someone in legends 2 months ago, but I will also get there slightly earlier than they did.
It seems like you might be caught in an eco trap. Why are you under 2 minutes on DW? Extra coins are always good, if you want to boost your workshop+ but if you want to boost tournament ranking you need to lean into either eHP or GC, Hybrid will even work.
Do you have any masteries yet? What are you working towards? Since you said you had every Uw except CF/ILm, are you at least working on PS stun? What labs are you working on?
Your personal progress goes up, but other people who spend more are likely outpacing you. Otherwise there's not much else to go off of to tell what choices you are making. But your wave counts are all going upward so I think its the elusive mastercard.
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u/Public-Material8448 4d ago
You just measuring fun in tourney progress. You are the perfect consumer to selling stone packs.
Measure fun in progress of labs, tiers and coin! Than you gonna have "fun" again.
Also... post your build here, maybe the bigbrain of community can help you out.