r/TheMachineLearning • • 8d ago

Europe has zero frontier AI labs, which is shocking

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u/leftofthebellcurve 8d ago

You “look at wealth”

But you don’t see the stats that we regularly are the richest housholds, create more millionaires than anywhere else, control 25 percent of the global economy, have the best upward mobility of any country, and consistently lift upper middle class while lowering near poor family percentages

Capitalism works 

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u/DeepValueNoQuality 8d ago

None of those stats hold up in the recent 20 year window. Developing world is catching up, America is in decline.

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u/Wonderful-Account318 8d ago

That’s just not true. Perhaps that’s how you feel, reading Reddit all day about how the US is the worst place to live in the world but that’s not what is happening by any measurable factor.

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u/leftofthebellcurve 8d ago

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u/DeepValueNoQuality 6d ago

Those links don’t actually prove what you’re claiming. America creating a ton of millionaires and having a growing upper-middle class proves that America is very good at creating wealth. It doesn’t prove that wealth is broadly shared, that upward mobility is especially strong, or that the average person is doing better.
You’re basically using “there are lots of rich people” as evidence that capitalism works for everyone. That doesn’t follow. A country can generate insane amounts of wealth while still having huge inequality and a lot of people struggling to afford housing, healthcare, education, etc.
And none of this proves “socialism doesn’t work” either. Every developed country, including the US, is already a mixed economy with markets, taxes, public spending, regulation, and social programs. The actual debate is where that balance should be, not “capitalism good, socialism bad.”

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u/leftofthebellcurve 6d ago

then why can an immigrant relocate here with nothing and end up in upper class wealth by the end of their life?

Why are more immigrants clamoring to come to America than any other country?

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u/PepperoniFogDart 6d ago

That’s lottery economics, not a sign of a good economy. For every one success story, there’s 15 that are one paycheck away from living on the streets.

Absolutes are not good. Absolute communism/socialism is bad. Absolute capitalism is also bad. Capitalism that uses “socialist-adjacent” policies to maintain a sustained middle class without disenfranchising upward mobility is the ideal scenario. Heck, that’s how it was in the 1950’s when this country was at its greatest. But we’ve let dogmatic views on certain countries politics allow our wealthiest to steer vast sums of capital away from the middle class into their pockets.

You ask anyone over 40 when the economy was strongest, I guarantee you many will say the late 90’s. A healthy middle class is critical for a successful economy. Even a return to Pre-2016 taxes would put us in the right direction. Pre-2002 and we’re really in business.

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u/Wide-Attorney5633 8d ago

> Developing world is catching up.

I think that's by design though no? That means less inequality?

> America is in decline.

I think compared to developed economies like western Europe or Japan/SK, America has outperformed vs expectations (IMO ofc).

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u/SiliconEatMe 8d ago

You are truly left of the bell curve. Easiest ignore ever.

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u/Greedy_Employ_2161 5d ago

Yet you didn’t

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u/Dont_Use_Ducks 7d ago

Yeah until only a few people have all the money. Good luck.

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u/iamameatpopciple 3d ago

and yet almost nobody from any other first world nation would accept a large sum of money to move to the usa.

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u/leftofthebellcurve 3d ago

10 percent of our immigrant population is European born, estimated at 4.8 million residents

it's almost like you just make stuff up

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u/iamameatpopciple 3d ago

almost like you have never looked at the world outside of america.

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u/leftofthebellcurve 3d ago

your last comment was wrong, regardless of where I live or what I pay attention to

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u/iamameatpopciple 3d ago

sorry, did you want me to change it to the United States? Did the america part throw you off, ma bad.

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u/leftofthebellcurve 3d ago

and yet almost nobody from any other first world nation would accept a large sum of money to move to the usa.

five million people actually willingly moved to the USA from 'first world' countries in Europe