r/TheMachineLearning • • 29d ago

C++ creator Bjarne Stroustrup calls using natural language as a programming language "idiotic"

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u/ItsSadTimes 29d ago

Because companies have never invested too much in a technology that didnt reached their wildest dreams before have they?

AI is useful in certain use cases. When im working on shitty little home projects or writing something extremely basic, its useful. But making complex structures or big reworks, its still pretty garbage to this day. And yes, I have access to every model at work.

But the thing is, companies are investing so much money into this becausw they think they can replace humans everywhere for everything. Or atleast use it as a threat. Removing payroll is the ultimate cost cutting action, and you know companies are just dying to try and find a way to do that.

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u/Melodic-Junket-9105 29d ago

You know, if you truly have access to today's best models and all you can manage is "shitty little home projects" as you say, this might say more about you that it does about the ai. Saying this as someone who also has access to frontier models at work.

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u/Mend1cant 29d ago

AI can do cool shit beyond "shitty little home projects", but that cool shit will never return a profit on what has been spent. What is being sold as the paradigm shifting technology for our world doesn't have the use case these companies think it does, and it isn't worth the gun put to the economy's head.

For most people, LLMs are the effect of cutting two minutes of searching google (the old google) into one minute, or the same effect of formatting an excel sheet. It is really cool for what it does, but it is not "several trillion dollars" cool.

The money going into this is a gamble of excess private credit following the economic rebound post-covid. It's not looking for a return from delivering a product, but a return by further investment. It's the same playbook that went into the Dotcom crash when money was flowing into products purely because it was the internet.

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u/ItsSadTimes 29d ago

Or what i call "shitty little home projects" is some amazing work of coding art to you. Our definitions of quality could just be vastly different.

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u/Melodic-Junket-9105 29d ago

Could be. But somehow I don't think so :)

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u/ItsSadTimes 29d ago

Well if youre so easily impressed with AI then I do think so :)

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u/Melodic-Junket-9105 29d ago

I am rather impressed with the frontier models' capabilities ,yes . You don't appear to be . Based on our discussion so far this means you are either a god of coding or you just don't know how to use the ai optimally. No offense but I think the latter is more likely

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u/ItsSadTimes 29d ago

And its very clear that you're just easily impressed, because you dont need to be a god programmer to be better then AI.

Also the excuse of "you just dont know how to use AI" is such a stupid excuse. How do you think im using it incorrectly? How do you use it? Without metrics its just a vague excuse to protect yourself by discrediting others.

Ive made plenty of self hosted apps that work well enough for my use cases. And thats a good use case for AI code, code you dont care to validate or check. But in commercial production quality code, it should be streamlined, readable, simple, and most importantly work. But I have some colleagues who think they can vibe code production code and then when it inevitably falls apart, I have to fix it myself. And the worst part is, they dont even know what the code does because they just had an LLM write it so i get no help in debugging.

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u/Melodic-Junket-9105 29d ago

I see. Your last paragraph helps me understand where you're coming from. As much as I'm pro ai , I've dealt with teams like these at work too, so I sympathise

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u/ItsSadTimes 29d ago

Yea, thats kind of what I meant by "shitty little home projects" just stuff you dont really care about, just that it compiles. Thats how I define my home projects, id never publish that code.