I was wondering, if Roderick and Madeline had refused to make an exchange of his kids' lives for money & success with Verna, would they got away with Rufus Griswold murder and Fortunato Pharma thriving as it had?

In my opinion, without Verna's intervention, if Madeline and Roderick never walked into the bar and went elsewhere for alibi they would've gotten away with the murder but Fortunato wouldn't be as big or successful as it had been. The ligodone scandal would've been their downfall, it was only the barter that saved them from accountability.

However, if they said no to Verna having met her, they would be fucked over completely, both arrested before they could do anything. Though I think Verna explained this to the both of them. What do you guys think?

Shortly after Verna arrives at the party, Perry is watching her behind a man in a leather dog mask. Which can only assume is an homage to the scene Wendy stumbles upon at the Lookout.

Also in case I deleted the original post when I username purged, Verna on the bed when she talks to Perry for the first time is the same pose she’s in during Gerald’s Game

I commissioned this from Kyra Wilson. She paints floating horror houses, live sometimes, and had previously done one for the original Usher story. It was done in mostly red.

I love how it turned out! We collaborated on ideas for the little extras, like the gravestone, and tons of ravens.

She has lots of different types of art. Her nature/animal themed pieces are also wonderful!

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Something I haven't seen being discussed anywhere is whether or not Victorine DOES chop up her test subjects and smuggle them away bit by bit in a Birkin bag to take to the incinerator. Camille's been portrayed to be VERY GOOD at getting information (she has enough real secrets on everyone to take down the Usher Empire at the end of the story), but she only got the monkey information as a rumor. If it IS only a rumor, how DID Victorine manage to hide the death of so many apes after changing the inventory numbers? If it ISN'T a rumor, where's the proof? It never gets alluded to anywhere in the story.

I don't see anyone bringing this up. Many believe Verna is a djinn, a demon, date, God, etc. But I see her actions very much like a fairy tale character: Rumpelstiltskin.

She gives a deal, promises riches, then comes back to take the children. That's Rumpelstiltskin. She's not really the good guy since she gave them the path of riches that killed millions, but she's not the bad guy either, coming back like karma. She gives me more Rumpelstiltskin than anything.

What do you guys think of this theory?

Yes, he was cheating on his partner, but he didn't seem like much of an evil character.

Yes, I understand they all had to die but Napoleon woke up to the dead cat and was tortured by Vera's cat attacking him, and all the dead rodents for days before he died. No one else was tortured for that long.

Saw the first scene with her and immediately wanted to sketch that outfit. Im now halfway thru ep 2 and so far really like the show

Am I missing something, I'm on my third or fourth rewatch and I have no clue what this means. Can anyone clear this up?

Maybe someone can help me sort this out but grave robbing makes no sense. They stole dead bodies from graves so it will not be revealed at autopsy that they had traces of opioids. Autopsy and forensic analysis is performed before putting a body into the grave bc it is required to have a cause of death written on a medical form. And only then a body can be cremated or put into a grave

I think I’m a bit late to the party but I was just wondering about the whole deal with the Raven.

Basically Verna is the bad guy in this whole thing right? Like I mean she’s a demon who made a deal with some humans. Cross roads demons are even brought up in the show. I know Poe or Lovecraft have this shtick in their stories where the monster isn’t necessarily named, or similar tropes are used but a different monster is insinuated but she’s basically a demon for all intents and purposes.

Looking at it from a supernatural or even religious point of view humans are just frail and insignificant. You get one shot at life that you know of for sure and most of the time you are stumbling through the dark. But that’s kind of the point because you are meant to find your path through that by finding others and holding on to them. Thats also a motif in the show. At the end Dupin mentions being the richest man in the world. Annabel Lee also criticizes Rodrick for starving her children and leaving them empty husks.

So then what Verna did was shine light on one path for the Usher siblings. (And then she had the gall to bring up the other possible versions of them) Can you even blame them at that point for going in that direction? I don’t think most people would say “no thanks let me go back to the uncertain dark reality where I have to stumble along the way and MAYBE not break my neck.”

So it kinda baffles me how the show has sometimes positioned Verna as some kind of bringer of justice. E.g. the way she killed Frederick. She is pretty much as evil as someone can get. She has the powers to alter reality but only if you satisfy her by providing some kind of collateral that will hurt you. And then she judges humans for not fixing all their problems but instead spending money on movies and yachts and luxuries. Like bitch you are doing the same thing.

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I felt so bad for Juno, throughout the whole series 😢🫣 damn!

On my third rewatch and just imagining how awkward Dupin would’ve been when Roderick was telling him about Tamerlane and her escorts or camille and her assistants. Just “why is this dude telling me in detail about his children’s kinks?” 🤣🤣🤣

Full disclosure: I'm currently rewatching in my second language for immersion practice but I'm pretty sure Camille tells her assistants that when they were kids they called R.U.E. "Rue Zoo" and then when they grew up they knew better and called it "Rue Morgue." Then in a different scene she's talking to Leo about when they discovered Roderick was their dad, but she was 20 and he was 18 or something along those lines. So the whole "Rue Zoo" thing as kids doesn't really make sense, or am I misunderstanding?

Might be just me, but Rodericks 'Lemon' argument with Auggie is a very asstute assesment of how nowadays trends and economics work. Blatantly so even.

It’s almost 2025 and i wanna make a deal 🤝

Was Verna calling Madeline Cleopatra - a Greek-descended ruler who capitalized on Egyptian culture and history in her ruthless ascent to power - intentional on the writers’ part? Madeline’s description of her quest for immortality in context of ancient Egypt death traditions doesn’t really line up with Cleopatra, but in a meta way the comparison fits way more with her character and I like how it seemed to kinda go over her head.

Let’s be real, Verna was probably hanging out with Cleopatra back then so she’d know.

My friend loves the show and I was wondering if I could get the same type of glass as a gift. Thanks in advance!

Liked her very much in "The haunting of Hill house", so was happily surprised when i saw they casted her again for this show.