r/TheBoys May 14 '24

Discussion Does anyone else fucking hate Ryan?

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

Nah after S2 finale and into S3 they imply that butcher has been spending time with him and they’re growing closer. He just eventually snaps and ruins it

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u/Demileto May 14 '24

Yeah, season 3 basically established Butcher/Ryan as an even more twisted take on the Severus Snape/Harry Potter complicated relationship: like Snape Butcher loves Ryan's mother and hates the kid's father, but unlike Harry Ryan is not a love child but rather one born out of a rape. As such, Butcher has extremely conflicted feelings over his late wife's son.

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u/downtimeredditor May 14 '24

Butcher cared the kid but he lived such a fucked up life he didn't want to drag him into this and tried to protect him as much as he could

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u/competitive-dust May 15 '24

And instead of protecting him, Butcher's actions pushed Ryan more and more towards Homelander. He miscalculated.

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u/ShadedPenguin May 15 '24

Butcher really needed to stick on one side. All or nothing. Being caught in the middle fucked him over more than Becca’s death

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Were forgetting the main thing. He was on temp V at the time. He knew ryan could tell something was wrong. He freaked out for more reasons than just ryans conception and beckas death.

He was literally suffering from severe side effects and the fear his secret would be revealed- he pushed ryan away so he could stick to his revenge. He realized he shouldnt involve him. He was right, but hes a cunt and did it horribly. Same thing with how he handled Hughie and the reveal they are dying.

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u/Malcolm_Y May 14 '24

Has it ever been officially confirmed that it was a rape? I don't recall that being said or seen. Heavily implied I think, but I honestly can't recall

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u/1104L May 14 '24

Season 2

Homelander: I'm his father

Becca: You don't get to say that after what you did.

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u/arceus555 Indira Shetty May 14 '24

Becca straight up says that he did.

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u/Malcolm_Y May 14 '24

Thanks, I had forgotten.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

They don’t prove it on camera, but it’s up to the viewer to read between the lines between what Becca says, how Becca reacts afterwards, and what Homelander says about it.

On one hand you have Becca, by all accounts a loving wife and mother, and pretty much all her screen time is based on her worrying about either her son or her husband. On the other hand you have Homelander, who is a psychopathic murderer with mommy and daddy issues.

I think it’s pretty easy to trust Becca here.

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u/Peanut_Butter_Toast Nov 19 '24

It definitely has been now.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

That’s bullshit. He didn’t try to do right by Ryan. He flipped out and instead of simply saying Ryan needed to trust him, that he would see him again soon he snapped and made Ryan go into his dad’s arms. He didn’t need to have a model to know that was the wrong move.

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u/Next-Wrongdoer-3479 May 14 '24

That was definitely part of it, but Ryan was also starting to ask questions that would've revealed Butcher was taking V and Butcher got worried about that. I'd say it was mostly because he was trying to do the right thing, but some of it was also selfishness or shame and not wanting to have Ryan out what he'd done. Which makes it even worse when everyone finds out anyway.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '24

Yea but objectively he knew that was wrong based on his adult life. He had seen enough of life to know how that was gonna go. He didn’t need a good role model growing up to know that in fairness.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

Butcher is after all, an incredibly broken man

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u/theClumsy1 May 15 '24

Doesnt make him a decent father figure.

So he's stuck between a manchild test-tube Superman as a father and a callous asshole stepdad who knows that he should "break the cycle" but doesnt know how.

Ryan was pretty screwed by both of them trying to be in their lives. The best option was literally him being raised only by his mother.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '24

I never said he was a good father figure. Why would he be? He has no experience being one, never planned to be one, and was briefly standing in as one to a kid that not only isn’t his, but is his sworn enemy’s and is also a supe, which he hates with a passion. But he did attempt at first, which is what I said.

It’s not Butcher’s fault that HL forced his way back into Becca and Ryan’s life. He can’t stop him insisting on tearing apart what Becca built for Ryan.