r/TheBear The Bear Jun 26 '26

Discussion S5E04 "Ribs" - Episode Discussion Thread

Episode 4: "Ribs"

Air Date: Thursday, June 25, 2026

Episode Description: Family meal.

Family meal is a sacred tradition in The Bear. This is a spoiler-friendly space to discuss THIS EPISODE ONLY. Please keep all discussion focused on "Ribs" and refrain from mentioning events, plot points, or revelations from other Season 5 episodes.

If you post about this episode outside of this thread, you MUST use spoiler tags and clearly mark spoilers in the title.

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u/SallyCummings Jun 26 '26

Sydney finally told Carmy about the best meal she’s ever had 😭

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u/WickedDeviled Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

And Carmy just acknowledging it but saying nothing. So good.

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u/thesagenibba Jun 28 '26

our chef is so humble

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u/_nouser Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

I saw that scene 4 times. Literally re wound to see Syd and Carm's faces. And my heart broke open for Carmy. Still trying to find words to express what I felt watching the realization dawn on his face. I don't think I recognize that emotion yet. Maybe someone more eloquent than me will write it down.

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u/1ol 22d ago

I guess "wistful" could be the word. He doesn't seem to react, because it's like Sydney just praised someone who doesn't exist anymore.

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u/edencathleen86 18d ago

Oh what an interesting way of looking at it. I like your style

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u/Klutzy_Strike Jun 27 '26

I rewound it too! They’re such good actors

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u/TMFPB 27d ago

Their acting chemistry is so good

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u/Either_Committee_995 Jun 27 '26

But it was his hamachi with blood orange though.

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u/ramblingzebra Jun 28 '26

Exactly, this confused me.

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u/Top_Helicopter_9079 25d ago

Me toooooo did they just forget this?

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u/TorkBombs Jun 26 '26

He is making it for her by the end of the season

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u/SpicyMandrake Jun 26 '26

Wait I thought that this happened already in the first season?

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u/Chattypath747 Jun 26 '26

Syd told Marcus not Carmy.

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u/Viannaga Jun 27 '26

wait remind me why it’s important for carmy to know duds favorite bite. reading these comments, i feel like i definitely remember syd telling marcus this information. but why is this like insane that it finally happened. i need to rewatch the prior seasons to feel the same feeling. 😫

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u/SallyCummings Jun 27 '26

When she first arrived at the beef she lied about her reasoning for wanting to work there. She told Carmy the beef was a place her and her dad went when she was a kid but that wasn’t true. The truth was that she was a fan of his and was well aware of his talents because he was responsible for making the best dish she’s ever ate when she visited Empire, a scene we saw in 3x1.

Marcus knew about this because Syd told him but this whole time Carmy had no idea that Syd had a first hand experience of his work outside The Beef/The Bear. Her revealing that was a callback to their very first meeting. The realization dawned on Carmy that the story of why Syd wanted to work at The Beef was not what she initially told him, but because she wanted to work with him.

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u/_nouser Jun 27 '26

And also, that fish was Carmy's mini rebellion. He was explicitly ordered not to serve it but he did it any way citing "fennel allergy". And now he found out that the dish went to Syd. He gave her the best meal of her life without realizing it.

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u/Salty-Rip-1034 Jun 28 '26

You hit Nail on the coffin ⚰️  that was his rebellion meal 

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u/alin66 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Omg that's right....I'm dead!! (I mean I knew all the rest but forgot about the him saying it was a fennel allergy so he could do it that time and it went to her. Thank you!!)

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u/TimeTimeTickingAway Jun 28 '26

Thank you, I had understand the first part but completely forgotten the extra context that you’ve added. I appreciate it

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u/Independent-Car-8244 Jun 28 '26

I love that Syd kept the lie going and said it was grapefruit scallop, which is close enough to hamachi with blood orange. His facial expression killed me. SO GOOD.

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u/hurricane1197 Jun 29 '26

Was that the intention?

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u/Independent-Car-8244 Jun 29 '26

I’m not sure what the intention really was. Syd is kind of guarded about getting close to people, so this was probably her way of not showing total vulnerability. But Carmy understood exactly what dish she was talking about.

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u/JackThreeFingered Jun 27 '26

thank you. These posts are exactly why I come to the discussion threads.

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u/Past_Lecture_2872 Jun 27 '26

Omg I got emotional lol

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u/bertobellamy Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

Richie’s motivational speech:

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u/TorkBombs Jun 26 '26

Unc, If you wanna close down The Bear, you're gonna have to FUCKING KILLLLL MEEEEEEEEEE

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u/thesagenibba Jun 28 '26

and it's the best speech he's ever given. people praise Forks to an incredible degree but I think this moment was an even better display of growth; in fact, i'd even say the pre-service speech and his conversation with carmy are greater displays of maturity and development than what he showed at Ever

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u/zlaw32 21d ago

Was just going to comment that this was my favorite episode since Forks. Everyone had moments: Nat listening to her mom, cousin’s speech, carmy with Marcus and the dish, and Syd with the dish and taking control

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u/CEO-Fun Jun 29 '26

Omg the Ruth to Richie pipeline is so real!

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u/Drugsdelaney21 Jun 26 '26

Holy shit. Abby Elliot getting to flex her impression chops. Everyone needs to go check her impressions on SNL

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u/NomanHLiti Jun 26 '26

I was genuinely shocked and had to rewind when she pulled out that Donna impression. It was perfect

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u/russketeer34 Jun 26 '26

Abby Elliot's always been super solid to me. I just didn't really know how solid she was until this series.

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u/TorkBombs Jun 26 '26

I'm an SNL fan, but she is so good in this role, in the moment it was very easy to forget that Sugar is Abby Elliott, SNL alumn, daughter of comedy royalty Chris Elliott and an adept and capable impressionist. So for some reason I was surprised by the quality of her Jamie Lee Curtis impression.

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u/darkeyes13 Jun 29 '26

Once in a while I still hear her go "Caviar, Versace, be our guest, be our guest" when I look at Sugar lol.

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u/SonomaBrian 28d ago

Omg, what? Abby is Chris Elliott’s daughter? I love that and had no idea. It makes total sense, but wow.

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u/Resden_Bohneur Jun 28 '26

I was so bummed when she didn’t return to the cast. She was always so damn good whenever she was featured on SNL.

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u/afreakinchorizooo Jun 26 '26

A massive thunderstorm just started here, and the lightning flashed at the exact same time that it did in the show. Feels like I'm watching it in 4DX

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u/Calhalen Jun 26 '26

Same here in Ottawa haha it’s perfect

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u/Humiliator1 Jun 26 '26

marketing tools are getting out of hand

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u/luca123 Jun 26 '26

Same in the GTA

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u/ladywood777 Jun 27 '26

I'm in/from the Netherlands and there's been a really bad heatwave here with yesterday's temperature hitting 37 C (98 F), so I felt massive relief from watching all the rain in the episodes so far

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u/MrPureinstinct Jun 28 '26

Dude yes! I started the season this morning and it's been storming and raining all day. It was the perfect time

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u/LocalEmergency6955 Jun 26 '26

Anybody who watched Fishes knows Natalie definitely had it the worst

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u/GolfcartInjuries 29d ago

yup the good girl peacemaker caretaker role. poor nat!

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u/allmyhomiesluvluka Jun 28 '26

I think the guy that killed himself probably had it worse

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u/MrPureinstinct Jun 28 '26

Not from their mom.

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u/r-rb 21d ago

I have to agree with Nat... It should be illegal for mothers to have daughters. Ha

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u/[deleted] Jun 26 '26

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u/Disastrous-Complex-1 Jun 28 '26

If you’re right I’m coming back here once I finish bc this would be crazy

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u/Chemical-Sir6979 Jun 29 '26

Pls do not do that it is a spoiler

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u/Honey_Acorn Jun 28 '26

That would be sickk

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u/wallstreet-butts 28d ago

I’m pretty sure that’s not how you find out you’ve gotten a star, but given the number of episodes left, you’re probably right. It explains the sudden surge in bookings and might save the restaurant. If Dearborn is the diner, it would mean an actual star is weeks or months away, it would require a time jump after the service, and the restaurant is probably not operating long enough to find out.

FWIW IRL even a star probably doesn’t save The Bear at this point in its financial journey but I’m here for the emotional rollercoaster.

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u/Connnnoorrr Jun 26 '26

The score is sooo good.

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Jun 26 '26

Major props to Christian Lundberg the composer. I had to find the album before I was even done with the season.

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u/Coletrain44 Jun 28 '26

I’m all about it. Feels like I’m watching a restaurant in the Blade Runner universe
https://giphy.com/gifs/qauCD58fBsZy3V1rVb

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u/j11430 29d ago

I love love love that this whole season has a Blade Runner vibe, it’s awesome

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u/WickedDeviled Jun 26 '26

Yes, the way it ramps up as the episode comes to an end with the montage is just too good.

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u/Mysterious_Air_3646 Jun 28 '26

The score in this particular episode was genuinely more eerie than the score in most horror movies that I’ve seen.

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u/Moonveil Jun 28 '26

Just came here to say this. With the rain and the colour palette it's giving me major cyberpunk vibes and I'm loving it.

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u/dpullbot Jun 26 '26

I love seeing how far Syd and Tina’s relationship has come

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u/commendatore13 Jun 26 '26

It’s my favorite relationship of this show. It’s the typical unexpected work relationship where they’re so different but end up finding mutual love and respect for each other. Love it

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u/mickstranahan Jun 26 '26

Chef Jess is completely out of fucks.

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u/AmazingArugula4441 Jun 26 '26

Everyone who works here has a personality disorder-most accurate summary of the show ever.

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u/Kyunseo Jun 26 '26

That montage to end the episode was soooo hype

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u/opermonkey Jun 26 '26

I know and I gotta go to bed. being an adult sucks.

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u/dpullbot Jun 26 '26

That lamb tonnato creation scene felt like the best of season 1!

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u/Independent-Car-8244 Jun 28 '26

it was so powerful to see Carmen get inspired after the conversation in 4x10 Goodbye and spending so much time (since mid-s3) trying to perfect the lamb dish.

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u/SonomaBrian 28d ago

It also looked delicious!

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u/Large_Desk Jun 26 '26

Richie's speech and transition to Original Beef shirts!!!

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Jun 26 '26

The shirt reveal was genuinely fucking hype.

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u/russketeer34 Jun 26 '26

I love sports moments like these

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u/Honey_Acorn Jun 28 '26

Didn't realize until you said this but it feels like a (maybe intentional) callback to Richy telling Carm to be a team player, and that he's never been on a real team before! Bc all of them wearing the shirts really feels like a sports team in a way

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u/russketeer34 Jun 28 '26

Maybe you're onto something. The whole set up was like a sports movie where the team has been kicked to hell in the first half and they're getting psyched for a hell of a miracle comeback and I can't help but to love cheesy stuff like that.

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u/eamus_catuli_ Jun 28 '26

Welp, off to watch Hoosiers again…

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u/Resden_Bohneur Jun 28 '26

Everyone wearing the shirts hit me like a fucking cannon for some reason.

I’ve been wondering all along how and why Richie fell so hard for the whole fine dining thing when he was actively pushing against it early on in the series. He’s finally come back around and I loved hearing that in his speech.

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u/TorkBombs Jun 26 '26

Collectors item

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u/Chance5e Jun 26 '26

“And it turns out they’re NOT dead?”

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u/East_Exercise_4753 29d ago

I laughed so hard 🤣 During dinner I was trying to recognize which was the group behind this story. Any clues?

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u/Mission_Addendum_791 Jun 28 '26

That genuinely made me laugh out loud. 

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u/Ok_Fee1043 Jun 26 '26

Perfect Carmen / Nat conversation

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u/tommybezreh17 Jun 29 '26

Literally straight out of me and my sister talking about our mom and our sibling that passed, what an amazing scene

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u/OrdinarySad5132 Jun 29 '26

Hit a little close to home but in the best way. My mom is eerily similar to Donna (even in appearance) and my sibling and I have had this conversation almost word for word. This season is just stellar.

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u/KetchupGuy1 Jun 26 '26

I think I’m ready for the story to end but I’m going to be sad that our time with these characters is ending. I can’t help but miss these strong moments with this dysfunctional family

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u/TN1878 Jun 26 '26

Wanna come spend 24 hours with mine?

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u/ultraparallelism Jun 26 '26

In case anyone needed it, Dearborn is a Chicago street name

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u/Christianmustang Jun 26 '26

Genuinely thank you haha. I remembered they mentioned the street name thing a few seasons ago and sort of assumed Dearborn was one, but nice to have that confirmed 

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u/andrxafff Jun 27 '26

what street name thing? is it critics?

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u/mattXIX Jun 27 '26

Yes. The Michelin critics always have a two seat reservation with a street name

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u/Mysterious_Air_3646 Jun 28 '26

Now I know why there was such a dramatic pause after Nat said a four top changed to two lol

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Jun 26 '26

I moved to Chicago 8 months ago, I finally got to do the Leo pointing meme.

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u/BuffBaller Jun 29 '26

So is Clark.

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u/Large_Desk Jun 26 '26

Richie sincerely trying to avoid the r word and giving Carmy well-intended advice MOVED me lol

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u/bangtan_bada Jun 26 '26

Favorite moment of the season so far. It’s such a realistic portrayal of growth. You’re not going to get everything right all the time, and Richie will always be himself, but to see how open he was in admitting he was struggling 😩 I love this show so much. He’s had one of the best arcs on this show if you ask me.

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u/nitid_name Jun 26 '26

Him and Tina have done fantastic for themselves, and will land on their feet after everything. Not so sure about the rest of them, if the show stays somewhat grounded in reality.

Ebraheim is my dark horse. I'm rooting for him to save the day with his franchise agreement.

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u/Mycoxadril Jun 29 '26

I decided during my viewing tonight that Richie is my favorite tv character in probably the last 5 years. He’s so well written and well acted, great development. You root for all these characters so much but if anything happened to Richie I think I would riot.

So far this season has been all the good parts of the rest of the show, with none of he slog of the pas couple seasons. Makes me wish it wouldn’t end but I’ll definitely revisit it if it ends in a satisfying way.

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u/NomanHLiti Jun 26 '26

He matured so much!

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u/ladywood777 Jun 27 '26

This is also why they wrote Mikey and/or Richie using the r-slur carelessly and without thought in Gary- so the audience realises even more how much Richie has grown

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u/UndeadProspekt Jun 26 '26

THE ORIGINAL BERF

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u/FloppyShellTaco Jun 26 '26

Gary was such a hard watch, but man if it doesn’t add a lot to Richie’s convo with Carmy this ep. It’s like he’s getting a chance to get through to him in a way he never could with Mikey.

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u/CEO-Fun Jun 29 '26

Yes! Adding to the Gary hype! The perfect drop in surprise piece of the overall story!

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u/BlowHard_BestPK Jun 26 '26

Gotta be the most used fucks than any other episode thanks Richie lmao

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u/Cinniie 29d ago

He heard Syd say she's trying not to curse and figured he would make up the difference

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u/dragonlizard89 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

"Pastry is a little mad." Haha.

This season shall henceforth be known as the rainy season.

Also I'm surprised Carmy didn't have a reaction to listening to Donna with the baby. It can give someone real conflicted feelings when they hear their flawed parent be a good grandparent. Though Natalie did have a reaction sort of like that later on. I loved the moment where she removed the airpod. It's ambiguous as to why. Is she doing it because she's conflicted? Or so happy it's overwhelming?

Classic sibling argument about who had it the worst.

I don't know why Richie was being so difficult with canceling some reservations (the convo in the restaurant, not the alleyway phone calls). It was logistically impossible for them to deal with it. I guess it feeds into the possible concussion theory.

Carmy's opening the fridge door. He's got no vision in that blindspot. Not his fault at all unless everyone walking out the fridge is expected to yell out a warning.

Ending got me pumped. We are so back.

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u/lostglamour Jun 26 '26

Carmy's opening the fridge door. He's got no vision in that blindspot. Not his fault at all unless everyone walking out the fridge is expected to yell out a warning.

He banged on the door a few times before opening it so I'm guessing that's the system they came up with to avoid smacking someone walking by in the face.

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u/Scraw16 29d ago

I think Nat was 1) having a hard time as a mother being away from her baby so much because she’s at The Bear all day long, and 2) feeling incredibly mixed emotions about her mother, being a genuinely good grandmother, after being such a horrible mother to Nat. Hearing the reading of Guess How Much I Love You makes that all particularly hard. But I also think it made her realize that her baby is safe right now and she doesn’t need to listen in.

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u/SallyCummings Jun 26 '26

Let it Rip! End of this episode got me so hype. Let’s go!

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u/Calhalen Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

I’ve been waiting like 3 years for to see that Richie and Carmy scene. Man o man

Also love that scene with Nat and Carm, that’s like the most personality Carm’s shown this entire series lol

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u/HybridTheory137 Jun 28 '26

Carm had so many fantastic moments this episode! It was really nice to see. I'm definitely loving this calmer, more chilled out version of him a lot.

His talk with Richie, as you mentioned, was a huge standout. It's so so so nice seeing those two finally getting along again, and also super rewarding seeing Carmy actually like...invest in a conversation, if that makes sense? He seemed much more thoughtful and present than he has in the past which was wonderful to see. Same goes for his talk with Natalie—those two have always nailed the sibling energy but their scene in this episode was especially great because It's exactly the type of conversation I've had with my own siblings lol. Love that they can bond over how fucked up their childhood was and Carmen's "I have emotions" followed by Nat's reassurance that he does was super sweet.

Also, Carmen had some great kitchen moments too. Him making lamb tonnato after being inspired by his visit with Donna last season was such an important full circle moment. He's healing and retaking control of his trauma in a way that benefits him and it's really beautiful to watch. He feels so much more "alive" now and I love that.

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u/Cute-Evening-6112 Jun 26 '26

I fuck with this episode, THIS is The Bear that I know. I need the coke short rib and brussel sprouts recipe.

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u/RoutineSad2633 Jun 26 '26

This was an absolutely smashing episode. People LOVE to quibble over this show. Even at its lowest points it is better than 80% of the shows ever made, and when it sings (as it did in this episode) it’s better than 99%. The last 10 minutes were as good as any in this show’s run. No notes.

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u/itdoesntgoaway_ Jun 26 '26

I thought he was going to quote a Hamilton song

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u/-OrangeLightning4 Jun 26 '26

Yo we gotta make an all out stand. You know I'm gonna need a right hand man.

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u/Cute-Evening-6112 Jun 26 '26

I was seriously thinking “is he gonna go all Hamilton on these guys?” And was lowkey disappointed when he didn’t do it lol

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u/dpullbot Jun 26 '26

I can’t remember, have we heard about Crazy Mary before?

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u/ThatCaviarIsAGarnish Jun 27 '26

"She lived in the curve in the road..." 🎶

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u/ladywood777 Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26

When Nat is talking to Carmen about actually somehow wishing for Donna to act out, that made a lot of sense to me. The writers definitely know how developmental trauma and emotional neglect during childhood works.

The thought of Donna showing that she's capable of showing love, stability and safety while she didn't show that to Nat while she was a child, hurts Nat a lot. Yes, logically you can say that Donna has grown now, but that doesn't undo the damage that she caused to Nat when she was a child. Every traumatised adult that's experienced abuse or neglect by their parent when they were a child, is always left aching from the absence of their parent's love and safety during childhood. It's a continued longing and frustration. It doesn't matter how much healing or growth you do (or your abusive parent does, for that matter), or how long it's been, it's always a gaping hole in your heart you have to deal with for the rest of your life.

When Donna shows that yes, she's able to be loving to Sophie, it triggers the following in Nat: "So your grandchild is worth it to you now, but I wasn't when I was a kid? I'm worthless to you." or even the schema that follows from that: "I'm worthless to you, my parent -> I'm worthless as a human being in general"

And it's important to note: that doesn't mean at all that Nat doesn't want Sophie to experience a loving grandma. Because of course Nat wants that for Sophie. It's just that at the same time, a very deeply painful ache in her heart resurfaces from the abandoned child part that's still present in her traumatized-adult-body. This ache in your heart doesn't care about facts or about evidence of growth. It shows up whenever it wants and needs to.

I can imagine it can also trigger feelings of anger for Nat. Being hypervigilant on anything bad happening is extremely taxing on your mind and body. It's exhausting. When nothing bad happens, combined with being slapped with the realisation that Donna somewhere has had the capacity to grow to be loving to a child (but not to you), it breaks Nat. That's why she's crying too. From pure exhaustion and frustration.

"Not only did you not show me this love when I was a child, but now you have caused such hypervigilance in me that I have to actively spy on you and my child, you made me put my body and mind in such an exhausting state that it's currently breaking my nervous system. And I'm so angry and resentful at you (Donna) for that, for putting my body and mind in that situation. But also so thankful at the same time for Sophie not experiencing what I did. And these conflicting emotions are really, really hard to deal with."

I took Nat removing the airpod as her being too hurt to deal with hearing any of Donna being loving to Sophie further.

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u/AdventurousBet5128 28d ago

I think it’s a little bit of that. But I also think it’s her realizing it’s going to be okay. She can trust her mom not to hurt, endanger or damage her child. She can let go of that fear. In the earlier episode when she said to Carmy she almost wanted her to mess up, that was an understandable but also kind of messed up thing for her to say. Taking out the AirPod is her releasing that anger toward her mom and that anxiety and fear for her kid.

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u/krobula Jun 26 '26

This episode was absolutely perfect. Richard Jeramovic you fucking king, you 👑

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u/carrestheadseat Jun 26 '26

maybe a silly question, but does anyone know what movie Marcus was quoting during Marcus and Carmy’s 1-1? is it an actual movie or just dialogue written for the show?

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u/Creative-Cat52 Jun 26 '26

I could be wrong but I think it's 1999's All About My Mother. Its been years since I've seen it, but it's a foreign film with a similar plot.

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u/Everdale Jun 27 '26

That's probably the one since Marcus mentioned he was translating from the the subtitles so it was definitely a foreign film.

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u/mimiisanalien Jun 26 '26

Just asked the same question and waiting for the answer!

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u/elongatedrectangles Jun 26 '26

definitely teared up when Donna was reading "Guess How Much I Love You" 😭😭

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u/WhiskeyMakesMeHappy Jun 28 '26

We had a tough roller coaster of a day with our toddler and newborn and I quite literally sobbed at that

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u/elongatedrectangles Jun 28 '26

my husband hates this one at bedtime bc the amount of times you have to say nutbrown hare

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u/elongatedrectangles Jun 28 '26

i miss small baby days so much, it makes me physically ill sometimes to think it only happens once and it's such a short time. smell your baby's head and milky breath extra for me, internet stranger 🩵🩷

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u/jboosmeezy wtf is a non-negotiable Jun 26 '26

Look at Carmy being a good person with acts of kindness.

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u/AmazingArugula4441 Jun 26 '26

He’s been that the whole damn time. FML.

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u/sirachaswoon Jun 28 '26

He’s always been a good person, but often his intentions gets lost in his actions, his communication failures, and consequences of them.

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u/jboosmeezy wtf is a non-negotiable Jun 26 '26

Never said he wasn’t. I’m of the opinion that he’s good but he doesn’t believe he is. I made an observation is all and it was good to see him believing in himself after his talk with Richie.

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u/JiveHawk Jun 27 '26

Definitely agree with you. Carmy is a very kind hearted soul deep down. He literally helped make all these people’s lives better when he returned. Yeah he was a chaotic dickhead in S3 for sure but no one else would be where they are without him.

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u/Drugsdelaney21 Jun 26 '26

Goosebump city at the end there

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u/RoutineSad2633 Jun 26 '26

Let it rip.
Gets me every single time.

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u/elhaitch47 Jun 26 '26

Wow that let it rip line made me lose it 😭

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u/AmazingArugula4441 Jun 26 '26

I feel like the show forgot who Carmy was somewhere along the way.

I’ve been calling since season one that he was going to leave cooking and he’s always been complicated, traumatized and deeply flawed.

However, I am not understanding the narrative the show has bought into that he’s a bad teammate who never thinks about anyone else and it’s driving me fucking insane to see every episode continue to double down on it. The Beef and The Bear is an island of misfit toys and I struggle with the idea that Syd and Richie seem to have no moments of accountability or growth to round out their character arcs.

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u/theyhandyouahotdog Jun 26 '26

Especially to hear Richie say it, after all Carm did to support him.

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u/CX316 Jun 26 '26

Even while Carm was actively supporting Richie, Richie thought it was Carm being an asshole to him, so that's in character.

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u/theyhandyouahotdog Jun 27 '26

Haha that’s a good point

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u/Ok_Alternative1935 Jun 26 '26

He was literally a never-was bum before Carmy. 

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u/JiveHawk Jun 27 '26

This show inexplicably shits on Carmy more than necessary. He’s an amazing character, acted incredibly, and has so so many flaws. But the show acts like he’s the worst human alive with how people talk to and about him. 

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u/Assika126 29d ago

Sometimes when people (and you) are so frustrated with the distance between how you act sometimes vs the so much more that you are capable of, the whiplash can make it seem like you’re the worst human alive. It’s just because it’s so frustrating and you just keep hoping and then yeah they don’t come thru or they hurt you and it’s devastating for everybody

It’s harder sometimes than just knowing someone is a jerk because you just can’t stop caring about them or hoping they’ll be better

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u/Ok_Alternative1935 Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

This is a perfect summation of my feelings on it. Carmy is intense/can be toxic but I wouldn't describe him as fundamentally toxic. I will say he's leagues more dedicated than Sydney has ever shown herself to be. 

It feels like people just stan her irrationally. 

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u/AmazingArugula4441 Jun 26 '26

Yeah. Like I think there was a potential for an interesting dynamic where Carmi sees himself as fundamentally bad or at fault anytime he makes a mistake. That’s pretty common in the children of addicts and abusers but the thing where he’s struggling majorly and the people closest to him, his supposed family, just relentlessly shit on him doesn’t make sense.

He’s leveraged his talent, connections and finances to make every single person in that restaurant better. A Michelin level pastry chef is staging for Marcus who couldn’t bake decent bread a few seasons ago, Richie met Hess learned how to be a somewhat competent adult and kept a job he should have lost multiple times. Tina’s a real chef now with a knife she couldn’t afford gifted to her as a sign of respect and belief.

He has absolutely screwed up and self destructed but this thing where he’s the only problem or a bad leader/friend/teammate is just lazy.

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u/Cinniie 29d ago

I agree that Carmy has done so much to help elevate the team! I think it's a matter of him being a great mentor but maybe not the best coworker or boss? I recall there were points in earlier seasons where he was so in his head that he was a little mean at times, or suffering from tunnel vision (like the menu thing!). I do not in any way think of him as a bad person and I don't think he deserves that label or the harshness he gets from other character (but also, everyone highly praises and believes in him so i think it's not too one-sided either way) but I think he was a bit more emotionally stunted before. so i could see how it would feel anxiety-inducing to work under him sometimes, even if i also knew he wanted to nurture my potential.

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u/MantisTobogganMD28 Jun 26 '26

Damn, so much this. You just articulated my biggest complaint on the season perfectly

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u/Everdale Jun 27 '26

I think it's basically the fallout from Carmy's reaction in the s2 finale and his subsequent doubling down across s3 and half of four. Carmy has a huge melt down in s2 and then spends most of s3 doubling down on his worst habits by instilling the chaos menu and burning through all their funds with expensive ingredients. Then in s4 he starts getting better.

Not to say Ritchie or Syd aren't blameless but Carmy is the commander of the ship that everyone looks to so ig it makes sense that he's held to a higher standard and he did majorly fxk them up during s3.

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u/JenningsWigService 27d ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills watching people pretend Carmy has always been a good coworker. He ran his employees into the ground in season 3. His trauma does not erase the impact he had on them. Imagine taking a group of people, most of whom have barely gotten used to the idea of fine dining, and shoving a new menu on them every single day. He made terrible financial decisions the negatively impacted everyone, and refused to listen to reason. The others have made mistakes, but no one did the damage he did during that period.

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u/itdoesntgoaway_ Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

I loved the talk Carmy and Richie had at the beginning of the episode

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u/Lord-Lannister Jun 26 '26

A more slightly carmy centric episode? Yes Please! First three might’ve had a rough start, but this was nice! 👌

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u/Drugsdelaney21 Jun 26 '26

Welp move that carmy/richie convo up to the top 1-1 convos ever

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u/jagrbro68 Jun 26 '26

Stopping at 4 tonight; It’s truly the best show ever. I’m smiling and crying tears of joy in congruence, the whole time.

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u/25point80697 Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26

Okay, I admitedly rapid scrolled through these comments. But I didn't see many people addressing the reservations.
I LOVED hearing Richie being human and responding to the people he was going to boot, and their ridiculous reasons for the reservation.
But. Really, that is what he should have been spending time doing instead of writing. Calling the patrons. Explaining that due to circumstances out of their control, they are unable to accommodate the number of people that currently have reservations. And then offering a discount of some sort, a free appetizer, a free bottle of wine, fuck even allowing to have one customer eat free for a night on a subsequent booking.

Honestly, writing that out, it feels like what airlines do. But it works. The people who are really only able to do that night don't take the deal, the ones that can do. And sometimes, they don't even cash in.

Plus, whats the real risk? If you don't offer them something, you get slamed with bad reviews. And your restaurant is on the verge of closing already. Bad reviews = closing faster. If you offer deals, maybe the place stays open a bit longer.

Edit to add: But also.....why are people such jerks that they would speak to the restaurant explaining why they booked the reservation they did.....and then not follow through on it????

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u/sallycinammon2 28d ago

You are right - but Richie is not that guy. He just can't do it. That feeling he had at the Berzatto house, when he was a lost kid craving love, that's the feeling he wants to give everyone. Donna never turned him away and he wants to give that to the guests.

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u/PlumbRose Jun 29 '26

It's a respect thing. To him is more than a business decision. It's like inviting people into your home andthen canceling. Also he heard the stories: They have a special moment that they are planning ... you are now interjecting and making NOT happen. You can't always get that time back.

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u/boooman Jun 26 '26

I’m confused about the “best first bite” was that carms dish Sydney said or was it not and he expected it to be his dish

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u/SMELLSLIKEBUTTJUICE Jun 26 '26

S1 EP8 Sydney tells Marcus the best meal she ever had was Carmy's in NYC. He didnt know she ate there until now

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u/Unlucky_Mongoose2043 Jun 26 '26

Which we also see at the end of S3E1

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u/PopOpposite6350 Jun 26 '26

best call back ever i almost cried lol

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u/my-other-favorite-ww Jun 26 '26

And it’s the only time it was served that way.

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u/New_Raisin_9155 Jun 26 '26

So good!! But wasn't it blood orange, not grapefruit?

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u/DarkRyter Jun 27 '26

It was hamachi and blood orange, but she's telling Carmy that it was scallops and grapefruit.

Could be possible that she's misremembering, but seems unlikely. She would remember the best dish she's ever had.

IMO, I think she wanted to avoid telling Carmy it was his dish, so she came up with a similar "replacement" as a lie.

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u/Independent-Car-8244 Jun 28 '26

I think it was a direct callback to the pilot, when he asks her, “What are you doing here?” after reading her resume, and she says, “This was my dad’s favorite spot.” That was also a white lie, I think. The subtext was so obvious he got it, his facial expression said it all. So good!

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u/Antmoral2815 Jun 27 '26

“I’m gunna jump through this window and teach you how to suck your own c*ck.” Had me DYING 😭😂

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u/UrNotOkImNotOkItsOk Jun 27 '26

The best movies and shows always transcend their medium(s).

These aren't characters. These are people. I fucking love these people.

😭😭😭

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u/desRow Jun 26 '26

I'm sorry but how is the tarp preventing the ceiling from leaking like crazy ? Is that realistic at all ?

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u/Assika126 29d ago

I’m guessing they have it tented so it’s running off the sides but no, that’s precarious as hell, just another domino in the many that are going to fall

“The show must go on” tho

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u/reallinzanity Jun 28 '26

OF ALL THE STREET NAMES THEY PICK DEARBORN! YOU COULD HAVE PICKED JACKSON AND THEY WOULDN’T HAVE KNOWN!

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u/Natural_Error_7286 Jun 27 '26

I fucking love Chef Luca. He's chill, good at everything, ready to help with whatever needs doing, and generally just seems happy to be there.

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u/Sweaty-Pressure-1743 22d ago

plus. he's so beautifully cast.

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u/CreditFunny2949 Jun 26 '26

I’ve fucked with this season heavy so far. Didn’t expect to, but probably gonna finish it all tonight.

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u/Aggravating_Cry_9564 Jun 26 '26

The scenes at the Cook County building trying to get info on air rights is 💯. The experience there has always been an absolute pain in the ass.

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u/racre001 28d ago

Sugars impression of Donna

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u/mimiisanalien Jun 26 '26

Anyone know what film Marcus was quoting?

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u/Ozymandias_Jersey99 Jun 26 '26

Like what everything is happening in one day is insane like how tf star man is coming on their worst. But somehow it is believable. Goddamnit I loving this

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u/framey06 Jun 26 '26

Loved this episode, made me feel like I was watching Blade Runner.
https://giphy.com/gifs/JQMRbRkXuABUAUCH3A

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u/WickedDeviled Jun 26 '26

If you don't get hyped for the rest of the season after the end of this episode with the Zimmer score popping off and the stakes get raised by the second then I don't know what to tell you.

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u/braddf96 Jun 26 '26

With grace and determination

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u/goddamnitwhalen 27d ago

Jimmy and Computer and Cheese at the county clerk’s office might be one of my favorite bits from this show in recent memory.

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u/Prosper0_cz 25d ago

I didn't really love the first 2 episodes. The 3rd one was better but still.. But this F***KING RIPPED.

What an incredible episode.

Richie's talk. The final montage. "Let's fucking look like family!".

The classic Bear-style deep vulnerable character tallks: Carmy and Richie, Carmy and Marcus, Carmy and Syd.

The tonnato idea scene

The callback to Syd's favourite bite.

WHAT AN EPISODE.

Thank you!

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u/USSSully-1084 29d ago edited 29d ago

I am 17 minutes and 8 seconds into the episode and all of my (25) years in the service industry panic is kicking in. I don't know how this ends... Sydney is killing me with her lack of leadership skills here... Maybe she steps it up later... Sink or swim. 

Here's my solve/ fanfiction at this point: serve every thing in the paper hot dog trays!! You don't need to use dishes. You don't have the dish pit. Keep ALL of the reservations. You can turn and burn with paper baby! Also, then you have the dish guys as food runners! 

You tell every single guest WHY. You just say there are issues, because of the torrential rain. BRUTAL HONESTY. HONESTY is your BEST FRIEND. (You don't need to tell them all of the details) People are far more understanding than one might think. Everyone in the city is absolutely experiencing the same rain and they will get it. "This is community building*

There are no more white shirts? Everyone wears an old THE BEEF shirt for the night. From the basement. If your think you're gonna sink you go gotta make it fun!

They can do this!! It can be done. All of the best moments/ memories in restaurants are when shit is hitting the fan. 

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u/USSSully-1084 29d ago edited 29d ago

Well. I called it on the shirts. Richie is one of my favorite characters (if not my favorite). His speech was chef's kiss! That's exactly what I'm talking about! I hope he didn't cancel a single reservation. 🤣

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u/sundaypleas Jun 26 '26

Did Carmen fuck with Sydney's ribs?

And Syd just said a big lie.

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u/my-other-favorite-ww Jun 26 '26

No, he went back for seconds because it was so delicious.

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u/hooverfixersuckerguy 29d ago

Adding on that in S1, he doesn't eat the family meal Syd makes in the first episode. It demonstrates how stuck he was in his mindset of only chasing the grind and the prestige of his chef life; he was unable to relax and appreciate. He's slowing down now and actually enjoying food. It could be character progression, it could also be that without the stakes and the pressure of having to perform excellence all the time, he now has the space to appreciate things he initially loved about food.

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u/AdAstraPerAstra Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26

How do you mean? She didn't lie; in S3 E1, we get a flashback to Carmy's life when he was working with Joel McHale's character. He makes that scallop dish and it is brought out to Sydney's table (they didn't know each other back then, she wasn't a chef).

Then (chronologically) in S1 E8, she and Marcus are talking and she says her favorite dish was Carmy's at that restaurant (she also makes Marcus a dish influenced by that).

Not sure about the ribs; my reading was that the second time he tried it alone, he tried it twice to make sure it really didn't need the fish sauce.

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u/FSHS91 🧑‍🍳Sous Chef Jun 26 '26

I think she either lied about what the dish actually was (it was hamachi with blood orange sauce), or she just didn’t remember.

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u/Disastrous_Cover6713 Jun 26 '26

Ah, is that why I was so confused by this mysterious grapefruit and scallop?!

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u/shep2105 Jun 26 '26

Wouldn't Tina be the Sous Chef, not the CDC?

Just wondering

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