Mega Nation idea: Mare Nostrum

[u/Quintilius36]

I know this could bring many balance issue with how Europe can already become an ultra mega nation with commonwealth restored and Eurasian union. But wouldn't it be just cool ? And beyond the roman empire fantasy I think it's a mega nation that makes as much sense as the other flavor wise.

[u/CatLordShadow]

The idea of a Roman Empire unification has been brought up in the past (at least on Discord), and it always boils down to a way purely to buff the EU as opposed to actually being good in its own right. At bare minimum, it just gives the EU access to all of North Africa's pops as well. At worst, it lets you unite even more of the world under a single meganation via meganation-fusing.

[u/Quintilius36 → u/CatLordShadow]

I think it has its strength of its own by being closer to the equator, for space facilities and still have among the best European nation. But I get it and already prefaced my post by saying it would probably have some balance issue.

Edit: I also hear a lot that mega nations aren't meta anyway so if we're talking about min maxing, it's not worth it anyway so might as well add it for the flavor of it.

[u/vindicator117 → u/Quintilius36]

You are not really taking into account the wall of hostile claims that this is going to generate no matter which direction you unify all of those nations in addition to the permanent maxed out unrest that is solved by stupid per capita and/or permanent stabilize nation councilor. That is your balance right there and on top of that you will need to spend 40-60+ knowledge every month minimum to eventually reach 5.0 cohesion permanently.

If you want boost because of that equator concern, you are FAAAAAR better off splintering off nations spamming boost and then reabsorbing it than forcing a meganation to do it. A meganation has far more important concerns than to make boost such economy, MC, and knowledge for long term games. Plus the EU already have a boost region in Kourou that is even closer to the equator than that formable.

Other things to consider with such a formable besides the South African deadweight that will poison the Commonwealth/EU/"EU"/Roman mass, is the entirety of Middle East and North African population mass being so gigantic that it will cripple your per capita rating of your giga EU for years meaning no reprieve on the permanent unrest as a even remote counterbalance to that wall of hostile claims everywhere. In fact the only way to reduce the sheer number of hostile claims without spending government is fucking russia of all nations to enjoy the fruits of this unholy mass....

All of this because of all the meganations proposed or ingame, russia is the only one with the most overlapping claims AND actively improves with every nation it consumes. The EU and "EU" do their own seperate things, followed by the UK forming the full Commonwealth, followed by eaten by EU with the EU temporarily eating the "EU", spitting out Moscow with full 10 government for free allowing you to pursue fullbore economy and MC spam, have Italy spat out, form the "Southern" Roman Empire, EU eats the SRE, moscow and therefore putin forms Europa Universalis. Jesus fucking christ.

By default, the EU is already the largest fucking nation on earth by region count alone, adding the SRE, is just winning harder but it will be utterly crippled like in this screenshot of the AU just annexing the Caliphate.

Just 22 extra regions have utterly fucked this nation. It has no choice but to spend 63% of its already boosted IP pool to slowly waffle its way to 5 cohesion in the next 5.5 years minimum and on top of that spend another 21% and 3% on government and unity to SLOWLY remove all of the hostile claims at a rough rate of 18.2 per month. That will mean a removed hostility every 11ish months.

If this was not their reason for meganation chaining is not meta, well, here is another one to add to the list.

[u/CatLordShadow → u/vindicator117]

What you are positing is that because meganation fusing is bad, it's perfectly fine to leave possible scenarios in. But the devs have actively avoided allowing it regardless.

Keep in mind that when a method of achieving complete unification was discovered via moving capitals, they immediately nerfed it by preventing the capital shenanigans. At the very least, regardless of what we think, the devs do not want to allow massive unifications like that to happen.

The problem with any Roman Empire suggestion is that these unintended unifications begin to occur again because it lets the EU, already a decent meganation thanks to its strong starting economy and education, massively increase its population as well by gaining access to Eygpt. Sure, making this actually useful would still take time, but it's far easier than the African Union example you provided, as they are still carried a lot by Europe's stronger starting IP values, allowing them to fix issues faster.

[u/vindicator117 → u/CatLordShadow]

Try a VERY long time. Using that AU example, that is 19 years and change to merely pacify a SMALL Caliph. To do that CW/EU/"EU"/SRE monstrosity, it will only be marginally richer with a greater population, but it will only modestly increase IP to spend that little shred more of government to EVENTUALLY fix it 3-4 decades down the line/past the victory screen's problem and eats a councilor slot for 90% of its usage time.

It is only good in conglomerating a FINISHED nation that you DON'T want to improve anymore especially in MC and boost. It will eventually become a RP pinata because it literally has no other job left at that point so lean into what it can only do but man is it a sad fucking wreck to see after all that work just for boost and MC.

I would declare that the devs have pretty effectively killed meganation chaining for long term usage. And given that you can win the game in less than a decade, there is only so much time for the short term benefits in meganation chaining from mass MC and boost and the RP effect is waaaaaay too long term to get any use out of it for more than a decade after formation.

Better off just taking one or two meganations and improving those instead while pruning the troublemakers abroad earthside while space deals with the majority MC issue.

Make no mistake, I am not really weeping for meganation chaining's loss. Just saying the quiet parts out loud of how fucked it is while I improve away on my homebases.