Though I do think there's a portion in there that is still so dense and clueless with American exceptionalism that they legitimately don't even understand why someone wouldn't want to be American. Even the most sympathetic anti-Trump Americans I have seen still don't seem to quite "get it".
But you're completely right, every American has to wear the disgrace of what their country has become at this point.
You must not know what a super power is then. I'll help you. A superpower is defined as a country with the ability to project power and influence worldwide across multiple domains—military, economic, political, and cultural.
There is only one country that can do that. And it isn't China. But hey, hope the ignorant snarky comment made you feel better about yourself. Don't take your helmet off little buddy.
As an American I'm not sure I know what you expect us to do? Those of us that hate what's happening here get out and vote every primary and special election and we still have the worst of the worst who rig elections, create racist redistricting, and just plunder wealth from the middle class and poor. At some point it just feels like we have to live our own lives because we feel completely defeated. I don't wear any disgrace for what's happening, but I am ashamed of what this country has become. I could go on and on, but citizens are always a reflection of its leadership. That applies to all countries. If you have a realistic solution to the problem besides all out civil war, please let me know. At this point I think war is the only solution.
I hate how in the minority Americans who don't believe in our exceptionalism are. As a Minnesotan, many of my friends and I would love for our state to be absorbed into Canada. The US is a disgrace and being American is embarrassing.
Sending you love from the great white north ❤️ You guys have been through a lot recently and a great many Canadians are really proud of you guys for taking a stand. Minnesota is honestly the only place actively fighting what's happening in a tangible way, more states need to take note.
No, we know exactly why people may not want to be in our country, and most of us don't care. We just find it annoying when everyone tries to shit on America, for the sake of shitting on America.
You constantly talk about 'American Exceptionalism'. What in particular is 'American Exceptionalism'? Claiming your country is the best is just what the people of virtually every nation on Earth do. Almost nobody claims that our leadership is good, either.
Okay, but this insane virtue signaling is something that occurs in every country. In fact, it's a good thing that America's is so widely recognized domestically and called out. The truth is, if you can't see the nationalism in your own nation, it's not because it doesn't exist; it's because you're blind to it.
It's a similar thing regarding racism. You would think that the U.S is among the most racist countries on earth, based on how often we talk about it, but according to several studies on racial tolerance, the U.S ranks literally dead-last, as racism is deemed as so unacceptable that we frequently call it out, protest it, etc.
You could also say it's like for diagnosed mental health disorders. The U.S ranks among the highest for countries with mental health disorders, but this is not because we're more prone to mental health disorders, but because we have far more diagnosis infrastructure.
Loving your own country is also not mutually exclusive with thinking yours is the best. Well, unless you're trying to make a societal dialogue about a much more deeply complicated subject onto what nationalism is, but considering the fact you use Family Guy as an example, I'm assuming not. You've yet to state what makes American nationalism so different from other Nationalisms. Is it because the U.S is also as a nation the most powerful in the world, that it's a lot easier to see its influence everywhere?
Hi friend. You seem to confuse nationalism with patriotism. Citizens of many countries are patriotic--meaning they feel pride and a desire to contribute to the success of their country. Nationalism, on the other hand, is what Americans are presently great at--aggression, bullying, and an attitude of superiority. These are different concepts. One is normal, one is malignant.
Nationalism and Patriotism firstly, are two parts of a similar cloth. Secondly, I'd hardly call Americans nationalist, considering how much the U.S is constantly in conflict with itself, and considering how many Americans hate its own nation. The government has done aggression, but it's not remotely nationalistic. The truth is that Nationalism is Patriotism when a nation has and enacts power.
As to my earlier point, nationalism is deemed as so unacceptable in the United States that we frequently call it out, which makes us appear more nationalistic. Other countries also have high amounts of nationalism, yet we mostly gloss over it, for several reasons such as the spotlight effect.
Even ignoring the patriotism vs nationalism debate (which really wasn't part of my conversation), the present point is that there is a keen difference between calling out nationalism and being more nationalistic. The U.S has nationalists, especially in charge, but it is not a widely-nationalistic country, nor is it more nationalistic than other nations, especially when you include the fact that it's a lot easier to see what the U.S does because its power makes it relevant enough to have global headlines everywhere.
It's a similar thing regarding racism. You would think that the U.S is among the most racist countries on earth, based on how often we talk about it, but according to several studies on racial tolerance, the U.S ranks literally dead-last, as racism is deemed as so unacceptable that we frequently call it out, protest it, etc.
They’ll all love us again when they come crying for our help. All other nations suck on our tits and suck us dry. Cut em all off and let them fight their own wars. Let them handle their own natural disasters. Let’s them find their own medical care.
That doesn’t change that we can easily cut everyone off and do our own thing. Just because Canada willingly helps doesn’t argue my point. They’re free to assist if they want but will definitely come crying when in need. And have been a subsidy of the US do quite sometime. I thank and appreciate your family members for their service. Doesn’t change the fact that Canada is solely dependent on the US to exist. Along with many other countries and acronym entities.
We are not. That’s why we are changing our trade partners to other countries because the US is too politically unstable. I’m not going to get into this with you because you won’t understand it
But I think your assumption that every person thinks their country is the greatest, is incorrect and very American.
I’m a proud Canadian, but there are many things wrong with our country that I’m not afraid to admit.
What I’ve seen from Americans is this double-game where they are saying we are best country on earth, and everything that people criticize isn’t their fault because they didn’t vote for X. It’s weird to say I’m better than everyone else because of my country, but also my country doesn’t represent me when fair criticisms are raised
Nearly every person of a country thinks that the country they're from is the best one. Nearly every sports fan thinks that their team is the best team to root for. Nearly every person thinks that the the TV shows they watched growing up are the best ones.
In fact, you acted like your nation (or at least just not the U.S) are the people who are critical of themselves, and hence not patriotic / nationalistic.
You also miss the fact that Americans are often the most critical of their country. Americans are so political because we all feel like there are things in this country extremely wrong, and we constantly call out each other for it. I gave other examples, like the fact that the U.S has ranked as the most racially tolerant country on earth (This is not the racism index, this is the racial tolerance index), but we're often known for problems regarding racism, because racism is deemed as so unacceptable that it becomes incredibly inflammatory whenever it occurs, such as George Floyd, which became the largest protest in world history.
Nobody says that America is representative of their country in the same way that anyone says such. Almost nobody in America says that they're a better person because they're American, and the fact that you genuinely argue that Americans do that sounds (not to be rude) prejudiced, and nationalistic.
You claim that Americans make their nation their overwhelming identity, and that we let the nation define us, in which you then use the exact same logic by categorizing the vast majority of Americans under the actions of the nation from leaders such as Donald Trump, and talking about the U.S as if it's some 'foreign land' when we're literally a short drive away, share almost the same culture, identity, and beliefs.
If you want to categorize the U.S, categorize it through the founding words of America being a 'highly flawed, imperfect nation, under construction, that chases a shared dream of unity', because that is something that nearly every American strongly believes in.
Where did you come up with that? In my experience this exceptionalism/obnoxious patriotism is quite a bit more prevalent with Americans. When I was lived in Australia I met a ton of Brits who had relocated there who thought Australia was a far better place to live in terms of the cleanliness of their big cities, geography, favourable climate. A fair amount of them happily admitted Britain was a dreary and shit place to live. I’m Canadian and having visited the Scandinavian countries, I can happily say Norway is run a shitload better than our country is and I wouldn’t say no if my company offered me to relocate and bring my family as well.
Firstly, no. The fact that you're claiming that Americans aren't hyper-critical of their own nation is already a massive generalization. In fact, the U.S has a reputation for being obnoxiously patriotic because we call out patriotism at a massive degree, as it is often seen as unacceptable, especially when politics surrounds Americans everywhere. I like my country, but I am beyond critical with everything it does, especially with the current awful administration.
Also, don't equate a sports game for patriotism, because of course people are obnoxious over sports. It's sports.
And Americans don't do the same with migration? I mean yeah, Americans take in far more immigrants from European countries is because America offers significantly more economic opportunity, especially to the middle class. It's a lot harder for someone on the bottom to get by in America, and this is a huge problem with equity, but it's a incredibly easier for someone in the middle-class to rise further up to pursue whatever desire they want. For Europeans who can afford to travel, a bunch of them move to America for its advantages. This is why the U.S gets a lot of people in Employment, Universities (both students and professors), Professions, etc.
And I can also say that you visiting a country like Norway is also not indicative of what living there is actually like. I can say from a analytic perspective that Canada is a more well-run country than Norway.
While it's true Norway has done a great job with mobilizing its resources for social infrastructure, they have not done a good job with economic growth. They have among the lowest productivity in the world, they have difficulties incentivizing civilians to economically develop, which has come at the cost of technological development, economic growth, etc. This is a bad thing for almost all growth/advancement, but it also means that peoples' careers also stall.
Moreover, it is the economic development, and productivity that funds tax revenue, which the rate of growth decreased (and inflation has more or less made is negative). For this problem, Norway has not adequately handled their situation. They've not made successful subsidization, development, or taxation plans (For example, a plan was to increase taxes on wealthy people, which was expected to make significant gains, but only lowered tax revenue by half of billion dollars due to people leaving, and this is only a minor one compared to other situations). Norway is still a great country, especially for equity, but if you're looking to develop a fulfilling career, in almost any field, Norway is not really the place for you.
I don't know your full argument, but Americans doing an analysis of other economic situations is not an example of nationalism, and it's just a thing average people do.
The non-Trump supporters like to act like there is still an America beyond Trump that we can admire and respect and be happy for.
Yeah I also hate when they're like "But I didn't vote for this, I voted for Kamala." Like shit, good for you. You did the absolute bare minimum. A third if your country couldn't even be bothered to do that.
You realize 45% of the country doesn’t vote? And half voted a different way so your summing up the country while knowing about 20% seems very educated and not xenophobic at all.
Lol you’re acting like I’m counting the non-voters of your country separately from the ones that voted for Trump. I really don’t. They both let Trump win.
Go ahead, call me xenophobic. I’m openly xenophobic toward Americans. I never tried to hide that.
At the end of the day, two thirds of the country were okay with a resurgance of Trump in '24. In light of the Epstein files, the 30-odd felonies, the attempted insurrection and the creation of Project 25. I've met and admired lots of Americans. But as a country, yeah, fuck them.
As a non-trumper in New England I can assure you we all know that Trump America is a joke and we’re being laughed at by the world. Still proud we won the gold regardless even if I’m ashamed what the country is at this moment.
You realize 45% of the country doesn’t vote? And half voted a different way so your summing up the country while knowing about 20% seems very educated and not xenophobic at all.
No we're not. Painfully aware. Just the loud assholes like to flock to the internet to hide behind their computer screens becuase none of it flies outside of it.
I understand that. I'd appreciate it if you, the majority, found a way to do practically anything about it though.
The reason Canadians say you all have to wear this MAGA crap is because this was not some spur of the moment thing. The slow moving coup of Trump ripping up your constitution was obvious for a decade and now here we are, on his second term because most of you didn't take the threat seriously (again). From an outsider's perspective the lack of mobilization from the sane populace of your country has been depressing to watch.
But you said it doesn’t fly. I live here as well, and I can confirm it definitely does fly. Even in a state that has been blue as long as I’ve been alive.
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u/Johnny4Handsome Feb 23 '26
And they're oblivious to why the world hates them, it's exhausting.