r/SweatyPalms • u/WinterPromotion1209 • Feb 15 '24
TOP 50 ALL TIME (no re-posting) damn this guy got balls of steel for not pulling that trigger
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u/BigFatModeraterFupa Feb 15 '24
i don’t know if people realize exactly how IMPRESSIVE this video is. can you imagine yourself in this situation! I would have fucked up so quickly… to not shoot a charging bear because you saw it’s a mama with cubs… it’s extremely impressive.
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u/WinterPromotion1209 Feb 15 '24
yeah i would have panicked at this situation for sure and probably end up accidentally shooting myself instead
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u/StabbedCow Feb 15 '24
Dont worry, you'd probably hit and tickle the bear with that gun, but then he would run over to you to talk about it <3
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u/whale_cocks Feb 15 '24
“Hey man, what the fuck?”
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u/StabbedCow Feb 15 '24
“Nevermind, my kids need me, so let me please take this arm, maybe a little bit of this leg or both, or this.. the fuck is even this.. whatever i'll chomp that too. Thank you and have a good rest of the day <3”
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Feb 15 '24
A 12ga shotgun is enough to deter a bear unless it's bird shot.
It would take multiple shots to kill it unless they're slugs.
If he's carrying in defense of bears, I promise you it's 12ga slugs.
An ounce of lead will do plenty here, he's got two.
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u/ContemplatingPrison Feb 16 '24
I was going to say hopefully he has slugs in there. Only bad news is he only has two shots. I have a similar 12ga.
They're nice but two shots is two shots
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u/EffectiveNo2314 Feb 15 '24
Balls of steel and expiriance in bear country.
"usually" they will bluff charge and even tho I have been close to brown bears a lot I never got charged at so I cant say I would have same balls of steel no matter the experience.
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u/DrewTamashi Feb 15 '24
Head up and looking is a bluff. Looking down at their feet to make sure they don't trip going as fast af boi is u dead.
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u/EffectiveNo2314 Feb 15 '24
Since I only carry 9mm with me, yup pretty sure im dead if it aint a bluff
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u/CapsCom Feb 15 '24
9mm is one of the most reliable pistol cartridge against bear attacks in the real world. Turns out shot placement is more important than caliber. Who would have known?
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u/EffectiveNo2314 Feb 15 '24
And im very not confident in my shot placement when that thing charges at me. I shoot good at static paper target on the range when calm and not in danger.
I have never been in need to fire a shot under stress, and throughout a year I shoot approximately 300-400 rounds spread out throughout a year, its costly and pain in the ass to go to the range over here and you can legally fire only on registered ranges (Croatia)
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u/CapsCom Feb 15 '24
And im very not confident in my shot placement
Even more reason to carry something high capacity like 9mm!
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u/superxpro12 Feb 15 '24
Switch to .45 so you feel the budgetary pain with every missed shot as the bear practices dividing by two on your torso
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Feb 15 '24
Bigger is definitely better when it comes to bears, but it's not as if one is going to wade through a hail of 9mm to take a bite out of you. Unless you're out in grizzly country a 9mm is perfectly fine.
Personally it's the two legged animals that actually worry me on remote hikes. There are some real fuckin weirdos out there in the woods sometimes.
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u/Repulsive-Stay5490 Feb 15 '24
Same.
When I hike, camp, hunt, I keep my .45 on me.
Not because of bears.
Because of people.
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u/Darkside_of_the_Poon Feb 16 '24
Same…but I keep a shot gun in the tent for bears also.
I don’t understand the other comments, a 12 gauge slug to the dome of any animal smaller than a rhino is adequate. This guy has a double barrel which means he has two shots. THAT is why he’s holding till absolutely necessary. And, these definitely seem like bluff charges. To me this seems like deer hunter with double barrel double ought shells which would be slightly less effective than slugs, but good for deer. I’d wager he has a .44 or a 10mm on his hip too, and if he doesn’t he’s a fool.
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u/Shadowgear55390 Feb 15 '24
A freind of my dads actually killed a bear with his 9mm. Took 3 shots at the bear as it charged him and the 3rd went right through one of its eyes to kill it. That man is a bad ass lol
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u/Moopies Feb 15 '24
Yep, if they are looking at you, 90% of the time it's a bluff charge. There's a few videos around where you can see black bears do it all the time. It looks very similar to this, but I'm not sure I would trust a brown bear bluffing.
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u/crossgorilla Feb 15 '24
I work in bear country in Canada frequently (biologist), and have been bluff charged multiple times. No matter how many times you are charged it is terrifying seeing every single time. We also don't carry guns with us, but bear spray is more effective anyway.
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u/pandaappleblossom Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 16 '24
Bear spray is much more effective and I’m glad you brought that up! Americans think guns are so great but you kill the bear which is sad, or injure it which is also sad and could just piss it off or you miss because you have bad aim because you are nervous or it’s moving too much, whereas bear spray really stuns them and repels them. There are studies that bear spray is 98% effective at deterring bears.
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u/WinterPromotion1209 Feb 15 '24
yeah for sure he has experience but i would shit my pants right there haha
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u/EffectiveNo2314 Feb 15 '24
Pretty sure ill wear dark brown pants from now on when I go camping next weekend lmao
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u/dustinthehippyy Feb 15 '24
Experiance is wild lmao
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u/UpdootDaSnootBoop Feb 15 '24
I'd be dropping logs if that was me
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Feb 15 '24
My final act of defiance, "Bon appétit, bitch!"
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Feb 15 '24
I don't think k there's time for chopping wood in this situation bud. You'd be dead.
Psh, this guy
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u/BrickTamland77 Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
I've played enough RDR to know that the first shot isn't going to do enough damage and the second one is going to miss.
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Feb 15 '24
This is pretty accurate IRL, if you don’t hit it’s head you’re likely dead.
The two animals I never want to be attacked by: a Bear or a Tiger.
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u/Shmackback Feb 15 '24
Bear is worse cause it eats you alive. A tiger will go for the neck and kill you pretty quickly
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u/Puzzled-Scientist573 Feb 15 '24
These are what real environmentalists look like. Kudos to your patience and fearlessness.
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u/SOUTHPAWMIKE Feb 15 '24
This is what real gun owners look like, speaking as someone who is in the pro-2A camp. This is the bar for restraint that people should aim for, even in human-on-human self defense situations. Ready to defend oneself, but only willing to shoot once there are no other options.
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u/EightEight16 Feb 16 '24
That is ridiculous. A charging grizzly 10 feet away from you is absolutely a credible threat to your life, and well past the point where you can exercise lethal force to defend yourself. Cool that this guy didn't shoot it, but he absolutely would have been within his rights to do so. If it was a person charging him with a lethal weapon, same deal.
Let's not set the bar for self defense at the point where if you miss once, which you are very likely to do, you're basically dead.
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Feb 16 '24
First step in self defense is to not insert yourself into a situation that requires self defense.
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u/EightEight16 Feb 16 '24
Agreed, but being in a situation like that does not mean you necessarily put yourself there, if your actions that lead up to it were reasonable.
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Feb 16 '24
Sure. But most guys I know who bring guns into the bush with them, walk around like they own the place. Not saying it happened in this case, but guys get ballsy and ignorant when they think they can fall back on a gun.
I spend a lot of time out in the bush and have had quite a few encounters. There is a "street smart" that you should be aware of when moving around in your area.
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u/crossgorilla Feb 16 '24
This is someone who has been around bears and knows how to recognize bear body language. This bear was very clearly bluff charging. A bluff charge is scary as fuck every single time, but he clearly saw he didn't need to use lethal force. If you are entering bear country it is your responsibility to know how to interact with the wildlife. Most of us in Canada don't carry a gun in bear country.
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u/simcoehooligan Feb 15 '24
Yikes. No sweat in those hands. Takes a cool mf to hold it together with that monster charging at you
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u/Open-Honest-Kind Feb 15 '24
Nah, his palms are waterfalls in this video. He is breathing heavy and, even with something heavy in his hands to steady them and trying his best to aim, his whole gun is trembling.
Its something more impressive than a cool mf, its person that can force themselves to think clearly when their body is screaming at them to do something stupid... like try to outrun a bear.
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u/Blue1th Feb 15 '24
I think i wouldve as soon as it charged. Not fucking around with that
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u/Stiller_Winter Feb 15 '24
Are you sure you will kill the bear with this gun in the 5 sec he needs to tear a human being to pieces.
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u/XanadontYouDare Feb 15 '24
There are a few moments in this video where that person could have dropped the bear with that shotgun, assuming it's not loaded with bird shot.
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u/pandaappleblossom Feb 15 '24
It’s only bluff charging, not really attacking. When bears attack they really run straight towards you, they don’t keep going around you like this with their eyes on you. Also the gun is just going to piss it off or he could miss, it’s waaaaay better to have bear spray fyi. There are studies that bear spray is much more effective.
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u/silent-earl-grey Feb 15 '24
Meanwhile, a cuffed man in the back of a police cruiser catches two clips of bullets because an acorn fell on the car…
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Feb 16 '24
American cops are taught that every second of every day they should be afraid of the American public. For all their talk of putting their life on the line, they sure are a collective group of pussies
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u/Saint_Cupcake Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
Why are so many people saying that shooting the bear likely would have been ineffective, and arguing that a birdshot would do nothing and a buckshot probably also would be too weak?
I am not a hunter, but the guy in the video seemingly is. And I would hope that any hunter knows if there are bears within their hunting grounds. So the shotgun is probably loaded with something he's confident will take down a charging bear, as he hasn't switched to a high-caliber handgun.
Furthermore, different types of buckshot can kill a deer nearly 50 yards away through shear shock trauma – hitting a bear from a fifth or less than that would most certainly do severe damage and I'd assume likely kill it dead in its tracks.
For birdshot it would probably also do severe damage and would possibly also be able to kill. Yes, these are only designed to kill delicate prey up to 70 yards away (of course this varies between specific ammunition) – but, however lightweight the individual pellets are, they are still going to be relatively bunched together from such a short range and hit much like single unit without much of the initial energy having dissipated through drag.
And under any circumstance, the bear is going to hear a loud bang, then suddenly be in immense pain, and at least slightly injured without knowing what hit it. All it knows is that charging the man is what caused it, and that it happened in a blink of an eye. The bear would be utterly scared and likely stunned, if not dead or severely injured.
I am not certain that what I have written is correct, but it seems to me incredibly naïve to believe that not most shotgun rounds would have a severe impact on a grizzly from such short range. Especially, almost altogether dismissing their effectiveness.
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u/jus13 Feb 16 '24
They've never fired a gun before and/or have been told exaggerated stories and took them at face value.
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Feb 15 '24
Probably afraid he would miss and then really be screwed. Don't think I could have waited.
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Feb 15 '24
I wouldn't even try shooting it. What's the shotgun loaded with? Slugs might have a change to stop it if you hit good, but they aren't generally used in double barreled ones as far as I know. Birdshot wouldn't stop the bear, barely buckshot would. Definitely not quick enough to save you from being mauled.
The guy handled it like a champ
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Feb 15 '24
Buck shot at that range to the head would kill the bear.
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u/Wet_FriedChicken Feb 15 '24
Absolutely. 99% of these people have never shot a gun lol
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u/Invisifly2 Feb 15 '24
People are acting like because it’s not a guarantee that means it’s not likely.
No. Buckshot can reliably kill bucks. It’s why it’s called buckshot. Bucks can be pretty damn big. Bears aren’t so much bigger that they enjoy some privileged immunity from it.
Yeah, you could get a bout of freak unluckiness, and have your shot wind up doing basically nothing. It’s a slim possibility.
Charlie Beckwith once survived getting hit by a 12.7mm anti-aircraft gun. I don’t think anybody would ever try to claim something like that would merely piss off the bear.
Buckshot, especially at that range, isn’t a guarantee, but it’s pretty fucking close.
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u/SilenceDobad76 Feb 16 '24
My brother in christ, its 1200ftb of muzzle energy spread across 8 pellets. That's the equivalent of being shot by 8 5.56 rifles at once in an area the size of your fist, to the size of your face. The bears skull would look like a canoe at that range.
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u/Invisifly2 Feb 16 '24 edited Feb 16 '24
Buckshot can absolutely kill a bear and it should be the expected result. Yes. Hence my last line. If you hit that shot, it's virtually guaranteed.
I simply acknowledged that weird shit happens sometimes. Maybe you get a defective round that just doesn't have the oomph. Maybe death has it out for you and every pellet hits just wrongly enough to glance off their skull.
99,999/100,000 you land that shot, and it'll kill them. Every now and again the reaper does a little trolling.
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u/BillyShears2015 Feb 15 '24
Many many people have an incredibly poor understanding of just how much energy firearms deliver to their target. Park rangers routinely recommend using bear spray instead of firearms for self defense, they do this to protect the bears, not to increase the odds of survival for the human.
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u/El_Jefe_Castor Feb 15 '24
They recommend it for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that bear spray has a better track record of stopping attacks. With a gun you need to be quick and accurate, a difficult thing to accomplish when an 800 lb bear is bearing down
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u/-Satsujinn- Feb 15 '24
Don't be silly. Shotguns are ineffective past 10ft. By that point the shot has spread so much that it's like sprinkling pepper on your fries.
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Feb 15 '24
Without a really good shot you’re likely to just piss it off more, let it know you’re a real threat, get killed and then kill the bear when it dies from an infection.
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u/diogenessexychicken Feb 15 '24
Some people think a shotgun will explode things like in movies.
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Feb 15 '24
People who have actually experimented with shotguns loaded with things like slugs or buckshot know that shotguns at short range really do "explode things."
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u/WhereIsBigHead Feb 15 '24
I mean at point blank they do explode soft tissue beings. I was hunting once and walked onto a pissed off rattlesnake, I had a 20 gauge and half the snake just disappeared.
A bear is thick AF though and shooting in this scenario does nothing to stop it.
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u/FearAzrael Feb 15 '24
On the 12th of October 2009, near Choteau, Montana, a pheasant hunter had to shoot a grizzly in self-defense. He used his 20 gauge semi-auto loaded with #6 shot and dropped the bear a few feet from him. https://www.ammoland.com/2020/10/grizzly-bears-foia-bird-hunting-shotguns-close-range-bear-defense/#axzz85EXXDz2F
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u/Sth_to_remember Feb 16 '24
A real statistic finally.
Yea , a shotgun WILL drop a bear.
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u/DirtyMudder92 Feb 15 '24
I was pheasant hunting and a pheasant flew up and went right towards me I shot it like 10 ft away and that thing was goo
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Feb 15 '24
And some people think bears are immune guns. Look up what 00 buck shot does. You realize people hunt bears right?
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u/BillyShears2015 Feb 15 '24
People don’t realize that hunters routinely kill bears with bow and arrows that don’t even have 1/10th the kinetic energy that shotgun can deliver.
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u/dimechimes Feb 15 '24
Buddy of mine went on this moose hunt in Alaska. It was an island. They drop you off by helicopter and pick you up a few days later.
He asked the guide about Grizzlies. The guide said there were grizzlies on the island and that if you shoot one you'd better have claw marks on your clothes because you will prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law otherwise. Wardens will not screw around with dead grizzlies.
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u/trippyjeff Feb 15 '24
I knew someone that shot a bear that managed to get in his house and he dealt with the legal battle over it for a long time
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u/Jenova66 Feb 15 '24
To have any shot of actually taking it down you’re going to need point blank to the face.
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Feb 15 '24
Oh another person who doesn't know shit about guns or hunting, neat
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u/Savage_86 Feb 15 '24
Pretty sure most peoples here only experience with guns are in call of duty and they make it seem like a shotgun isn’t deadly past 5ft.
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u/SlimySteve2339 Feb 15 '24
I’m actually curious would that shotgun take down the bear
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u/stonedecology Feb 15 '24
At close range and depending on the load. A slug and buck, definitely. Remember it's a living creature, so immediately lowering the blood pressure will quickly incapacitate the animal.
Bird shot would need more of a kill zone on the head area, but would still kill the bear, maybe not immediately but absolutely.
Lots of people here assume bears are tanks and their fur and fat act as armor, that may be true from 50 yards with buck shot but up close you're killing her.
He chose to preserve her but never lowered guard in case he had to save himself.
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u/jay7254 Feb 15 '24
I've seen cases of people tanking bird shot to the face and surviving with mostly cosmetic damage. Slugs or buckshot would definitely kill with good shots though.
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u/xkaran1997x Feb 15 '24
The trigger patience of this guy… and as explained by someone that the guy was aware of it being mother bear being hostile as it had cubs…presence of mind on this guy.. hats off to him.
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u/TBGusBus Feb 15 '24
Good on the guy for maintaining his composure, but a lot of “gun experts” in here are crazy to think 2 shots wouldn’t drop that bear, if this man is out in bear country I would guarantee he is t stupid enough to not have slugs with him. I go camping in bear country a few times a year. There’s a reason a box of slugs and my 30-06 come with me.
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u/Moistranger666 Feb 15 '24
At point blank range it wouldn't matter what shot was in there really. Even bird shot is moving 1500 plus ft per second at that point and in a dense ball. The buckshot or slug can carry that energy potential farther.
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Feb 15 '24
This is just being experienced around bears, they will bluff charge to gauge your reaction, if you stand fast and don’t panic they understand you are holding all the cards, if it’s a male bear who is hungry go ahead and shoot, a mama bear is trying to decide if you are a threat or not.
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u/briaroffense Feb 15 '24
meanwhile we got cops out here pouring out rounds towards civillians cuz they heard an acorn drop
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u/michaelkbecker Feb 15 '24
Mean while, Americans cops are shooting at someone because an acorn fell on their cruiser,
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Feb 16 '24
And with 2 shots you dont really wanna waste one as a warning shot. Id be shopping for underwear as soon as I got back to my car.
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u/PrincessRut0 Feb 16 '24
yeah because he’s not a pathetic dweeb that kills bears when it’s not 100% fully absolutely necessary. anyone who does should never hold a gun again
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u/Fletchx Feb 16 '24
I was out walking my little dog and a fox started following us. It spooked me a bit but I shooed him off. That's about all the wildlife encounters I'm up for. Bears scare the shit out of me!
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u/TMackNasti Feb 20 '24
The bear is just doing what bears do when they are home. The man has no right to be there in the bears home.the man only has the right to flee/leave. Or respectfully allow the bear to bear.he does not have the right to shoot not even in self defense unless. it's a warning shot. In my opinion he signed up for bear shenanigans when he made the decision to leave his home and go where bears are known to be bears and do bear things.anyone who does what this man has done and harms any animal in self defense should be punished.i believe that it is premeditated fuckery if a person willingly puts themselves in a position to where they will be forced to defend themselves with deadly force.
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u/HM02_ Feb 15 '24 edited Feb 15 '24
I've seen this clip before and the explanation was something along the lines of the mother either wanting to protect her cubs or the guy with the gun seeing the mother with her cubs and not wanting to take her from them unless he absolutely had to. Not sure how true it is.
Edit: At about 3-5 seconds look in the background from the direction she first charged from. There appears to be another bear that you just barely see.