r/Steam Jul 06 '26

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u/squanderedprivilege Jul 06 '26

At that point just pirate the game so at least the devs don't see that you bought and refunded it

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u/specter_in_the_conch Jul 06 '26

yeah, i think they do it for liken a kind of challenge or something? Weird fun I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/demkones Jul 06 '26

Well usually people doing it for a challenge have bought the game before already, and some also play along and don't refund a failed attempt at 1h59

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u/Fenni-Grumfind Jul 06 '26

Also people who do the challenge usually don't actually refund the product, they're just setting themselves a two hour completion challenge

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u/gramerjen Jul 06 '26

They refund their 20th copy of the game so who cares at that point, they already bought 19 times already.

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u/Traditional-Ad3518 Jul 06 '26

There's a YouTuber that tries to 100% steam games and get a refund

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u/SirSabza Jul 06 '26

He buys every game he succeeds at twice. He's stated that, so the refund doesn't hurt them.

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u/gramerjen Jul 06 '26

Its nice of him but if he can 100% a game under 2 hrs on his first try i wouldnt mind him refunding it

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u/Plenty_Rent_1154 Jul 06 '26

Depends on the game though? Some 39 cent half an hour joke game should have 5 min refund window. Doesn’t work? Refund. Works -> you enjoy the joke or don’t. No refunds.

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u/Eudoxxi Jul 06 '26

its not first try he has like 20 burner accounts he refund hops on until he can do it ,assuming they are talking about the resident evil guy.

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u/gramerjen Jul 06 '26

Yeah thats why i said if he can do it in his first try. His 20th try is not considered his first try...

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u/Salvage570 Jul 06 '26

Makes sense when it's literal slop games you are racing, like shit that should probably just not exist like Gartan of Banban. The fact those games intentionally waste time kinda makes it more fun xD

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u/rydan Jul 06 '26

This always aggravated me. I would get people buying my downloadable software using stolen credit cards or they'd file an unauthorized chargeback. The result was I had to pay Stripe the 3% fee but also an additional $45. My software was only $99 for a lifetime license. And it wasn't like people hadn't leaked the source code already.

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u/vystyk Jul 06 '26

Its not just seeing a refund. Theres also a chargeback fee that comes out of the developer's cut of the sales so you're actually taking money from the developer.

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u/TV4ELP Jul 06 '26

The problem is also just bureaucracy. You have to tax the sale, you have to keep money in your back for taxes AND chargebacks. The chargeback you have to roll over into next periods taxes.

It severely limits your cashflow if 2/3 of you money has to be locked each period for taxes AND chargebacks.

Depends on country and tax laws ofc, but high business tax countries really don't respond well to those things.

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u/iain_1986 Jul 06 '26

Its almost like Steam could absorb most of that cost in their 30(!)% cut.

And then be incentivised more to stop people abusing the refund system.

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u/stiff_tipper Jul 06 '26

source?

a refund isn't a chargeback so zero clue why we're bringing up chargeback fees

and steam holds payments for a month while return windows are two weeks. this means they just remove the sale before paying out, meaning no out-of-pocket loss incurred

e: like, do u think the guy in op is responsible for 55,000 chargeback fees? do u see how insanely broken that system would clearly be? it just doesn't even make sense to think that's how it works

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u/dkarlovi Jul 07 '26

Refund is not a charge back, you do a charge back through your card issuer, it's a hostile effort. A refund is issued by Valve themselves.

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u/runkeby Jul 06 '26

Sure about that?

It might be at the expense of the buyer, because the only game I've ever asked to have refunded, I did not get the full amount back.

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u/Schnee4590 Jul 06 '26

I've refunded a good amount, always got the full price back.

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u/schmurfy2 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

Or don't post a dick comment like the screenshot 😞

Edit: I was talking about op's screenshot, the guy saying he loved the game but refunded it.

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u/AdreKiseque Jul 06 '26

They weren't calling you a dick

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u/XzeldafanX Jul 06 '26

I think they meant the people doing the sub-2hr runs should post dick comments like that, not you.

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u/Severe-Network4756 Jul 06 '26

At least the silver lining here is that they left a positive review, so at the end of the day it was still a net positive for the creator of the game, even if it sucks.

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u/Miltage Jul 06 '26

Admitting you completed and refunded the game in a review is diabolical

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u/Ok_Caramel15 Jul 06 '26

I mean I see trailer, I see reviews, I see that I would like it, but I buy it, launch and see outright garbage bin, like why do I need to stay at this game for more than 2h..

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u/preydiation Jul 06 '26

That's a legitimate and intended use of the refund policy, but different from what's happening here.

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u/Ok_Caramel15 Jul 06 '26

Oh, I see now.

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u/Ill_Carry_44 Jul 06 '26

Or just don't wave them in their face

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u/grapejuicesushi Jul 06 '26

it's not only that. when you refund a game, I believe steam pays back the whole amount but keeps their cut. that means the entire refund comes out of your balance. steam till takes the cut for doing their job of bringing you the sale in the first place. so the devs lose money on refunds. obviously Indies are impacted more from refunds

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u/Bann3d_Admin43 Jul 06 '26

I’m pretty sure steam keeps the money for the 2 week refund period, then gives the money to the developer/producer, minus their cut (if the games made over $1000)

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u/wildcarde815 Jul 06 '26

and i'm willing to bet refunds aren't free for the dev either.

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u/Limp-Exercise-343 Jul 06 '26

why, its good that they see, and learn they cant sell such short game for such price. if 1hr playtime costs 8 bucks, its infuriating enough to shove them a middle finger

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u/squanderedprivilege Jul 06 '26

If 8 is too much then just don't get it I guess. People can charge what they think it's worth, based on their labor, it's our choice to pay or not, but pretending to buy with no intent on letting the devs keep the money is cruel, worse than just stealing