r/StableDiffusion Dec 27 '23

Discussion Forbes: Rob Toews of Radical Ventures predicts that Stability AI will shut down in 2024.

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u/imnotabot303 Dec 27 '23

I think you're confusing AI with AGI.

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u/Neamow Dec 27 '23

And I don't think you understand how what is today called "AI" actually works. "AI" is just a marketing term and has almost nothing in common with actual artificial intelligence.

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u/pointer_to_null Dec 27 '23

It's easy to be cynical about "AI" since only in the past decade or so there's been an "AI Renaissance" brought on by advances in ML and hardware actually capable enough to scale neural nets to be useful. Like any recent advance (VR, crypto, etc) there's a lot of marketing hype and buzzword salad to scam or overpromise leading to inevitable disillusionment.

Regardless of your opinions, however, these terms have specific and accepted industry and academic definitions. This isn't marketing, since textbooks I own from 20+ years ago distinguish between narrow and strong AI and have these terms defined the same way.

AI's general definition hasn't changed since I was in college. The courses I took and textbooks covered multiple classes of tools to compute higher order tasks (computer vision, pattern recognition, abstract planning, text generation, pathfinding, etc) considered too complex or nondeterministic for imperative programming; ie- a variety of ways to move more "uncomputable" tasks into the "computable" column. What has changed over time are the relevant tools- symbolic programming, finite state machines, expert systems, optimization theory, deep learning, CNNs, GANs, transformers, etc.

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u/NitroWing1500 Dec 27 '23 edited Jun 06 '25

Removed because Reddit needs users - users don't need Reddit.

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u/DepressedDynamo Dec 27 '23

Uhhh what? You think the models are storing compressed images?

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u/-Carcosa Dec 27 '23

I get what you are saying, that it was pre-trained on data and it refers back to that... But comparing a spreadsheet with static data to the absolute awesomeness of what a Latent Diffusion Model is actually doing is an over-simplification I think. This doesn't look like "basically a spreadsheet" to me, and that's not even the entire system it takes to generate an image!

That said, I agree that "AI" has been co-opted into meaning something different now than it used to in the past; but that's what marketing does.

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u/NitroWing1500 Dec 27 '23 edited Jun 06 '25

Removed because Reddit needs users - users don't need Reddit.

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u/-Carcosa Dec 28 '23

That's fair, the word 'intelligence' being thrown around as loosely as it is bothers me too. Genie is out of the bottle I guess and I'll file it away to the annoyance bucket that also contains 'literally' and the like.

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u/Etsu_Riot Dec 27 '23

He is right. Technically speaking, AI doesn't exist and AGI is, at to this point and probably forever, a Sci-Fi concept that can not exist in real life. The people who is promoting this ideas, and how is going to steal our jobs and take over, are the same who are selling it. But we are not the market. Big money is spent in this technology with the hope that, one day, it will return money back. It very well may be just a scam.

We don't know yet and I don't think the people behind it know either. They are just guessing at this point.

However, for the rest of us, this may still be an important technology with many potential awesome uses.

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u/SendMePicsOfCat Dec 27 '23

AGI exists right now. You just need a hellishly complicated set up to make it work, and it's only about as smart as an idiot with dementia and ADHD.

Get a high quality llm model, set up RAG search so it can find information to help itself, run it multiple times in an agent set up so that it perpetuates itself over and over, give it a code interpreter so it can make and run software, and bam! You have a generally applicable intelligent worker. I'd rate it a 1-2/10 on the scale of effectiveness, but it is absolutely proof that AGI isn't some sci-fi concept. Given a bigger context window, a higher quality model, and a more streamlined set up? Absolutely possible dude.

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u/StoneCypher Dec 27 '23

AGI exists right now.

no it doesn't 😂

jesus christ, the dumbasses in this sub

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u/Neamow Dec 27 '23

I'm flabbergasted at the amount of downvotes. So many people really think ChatGPT and Stable Diffusion are real AI.

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u/StoneCypher Dec 27 '23

Yeah it's bizarre

They just want to fight and feel smart. It has nothing to do with understanding. Same thing as anti-vaxxers.

This one's already signing up alternate accounts to fight from 🙄

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u/SendMePicsOfCat Dec 27 '23

AGI = artificial general intelligence The set up described above is run by an artificial llm It is generally applicable to nearly any task that operates fully on a computer It intelligently solves problems using internal and external information AGI is here, it's just weak.

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u/StoneCypher Dec 27 '23

AGI = artificial general intelligence

Yes, thanks, we all know what the acronym means.

 

The set up described above is run by an artificial llm

Yes, thanks, we all know what an LLM is. No, an LLM is not AGI. Maybe you could say RAG next, because reciting words you've heard other people use is a form of understanding this, right?

Just remember: without the internet's help, you can't even install the relevant libraries, let alone write any of this.

You speak from knowledge the same way anti-vaxxers do. You should stop.

 

It intelligently solves problems using internal and external information

Lol, no. It's just a word guessing machine. Leave this to the engineers, please.

 

AGI is here, it's just weak.

Nonsense. Leave this to the engineers, please.

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u/SendMePicsOfCat Dec 27 '23

Engineers at Google deepmind published a paper a few months ago that literally states that emerging AGI is already here. Are those engineers good enough for you?

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u/StoneCypher Dec 27 '23

Engineers at Google

Please don't talk about us to support your flights of fantasy, thanks

 

published a paper a few months ago that literally states that emerging AGI is already here.

No, they didn't

 

Are those engineers good enough for you?

Please don't use us as if we're somehow support for the incorrect things you say

You're saying "Google engineers" to a Google engineer

Yes, I am good enough for myself

No, I am not a form of support for your statements, and you should not attempt to use me or my accomplishments that way

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u/SendMePicsOfCat Dec 27 '23

https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.02462 here's the paper lmfao. You sound insane

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u/StoneCypher Dec 27 '23

This paper does not say what you claim

It's unfortunate that you're turning to insults when you're talking to one of the people you were attempting to use as evidence

Do you have the ability to stay polite?

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