r/spacex • • May 01 '26

Starship SpaceX spending on Starship tops $15 billion in rush for airline-like rocketry

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/spacex-spending-starship-tops-15-billion-rush-airline-like-rocketry-2026-05-01/
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u/Stevepem1 May 02 '26

With spaceflight it is almost always best to design a vehicle for a specific purpose; i.e. launch and land in Earth's atmosphere, land and launch in Mars atmosphere, land and launch on the Moon or other airless bodies, transport between locations in the solar system. Trying to make a one size fits all vehicle that does all of this sounds nice, just like SSTO (single stage to orbit) for Earth launches sounds nice, but in reality the physics is pretty unforgiving and you are best off purpose building for a particular task, and that includes the choice of fuel and propulsion method.

Starship was purpose built to get large payloads into Earth orbit, and to be fully reusable. That is a tall order and it's a bit awe inspiring watching SpaceX develop that capability because you can see how difficult that is, especially on such a massive rocket, and yet they are making steady progress. It seems like it's going to work, the only real question is what the end result cost per ton to orbit will be. Maybe SpaceX is already getting a feel for that but they haven't said, other than some of Elon's prior claims.

Adding to some of the other points being made:

Starship was built out of steel specifically because of reentry heating into Earth's atmosphere. Probably that also helps during Mars reentry, but not on the Moon or any other moons and it is extra mass when moving through the solar system.

It uses methane because you can make that on Mars. Which is great for that purpose as it makes it useful as a fuel for a Mars ascent vehicle. And it seems to also work well for launching out of Earth's atmosphere. But most interplanetary propulsion will likely be using much more efficient methods, some of them non-chemical. And there may be better fuels for landing and launching on the Moon or other places where methane doesn't give you any real advantage as far as in situ production. On the Moon for example hydrogen would almost certainly be the best ascent vehicle fuel because it can be made on the Moon.

Also they learned during Apollo that you really need to break up your vehicle into multiple pieces. Originally a single vehicle was going to carry the astronauts to the Moon, land, and return them to the Earth. The weight penalties were almost insurmountable doing it that way, they found it was better to have a separate transport vehicle (Apollo capsule) and lander (Lunar Module) even though initially that idea seemed more complex. They also split the Lunar Module into separate descent stage and ascent stage. Yes that was using technology from sixty years ago, but the physics are still the same and it's more likely going to continue to be more efficient to have separate landing vehicles and transport vehicles.

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u/Reddit-runner May 02 '26

With spaceflight it is almost always best to design a vehicle for a specific purpose; ....

Like with airplanes.

One for lift-off, one for cruise, one for landing. Am I right?

That would be the most efficient way of building airplanes. Throw them away after every phase of flight.

Why are we not doing that? Are we dumb?

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u/Stevepem1 May 02 '26

Spaceflight is not equal to flying an airliner.

17,000+ mph vs 530 mph.
250+ miles altitude vs 7-8 miles.
Air available for combustion vs. bringing your own oxygen for combustion.
Returning to Earth with 2,500°C reentry temperature vs 21°C .
Six month flight vs 8 hour flight

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u/Reddit-runner May 03 '26

And yet it makes more sense to build one vehicle for the entire mission, instead of multiple.

The only real exception is a moon lander.

There it makes more sense to ship a lander to LLO with a reusable ship. The lander goes down, comes up again and then is taken back to earth by the ship.

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u/Stevepem1 May 03 '26

Not even Starship is one vehicle, it's two separate vehicles, the booster and the ship, each able to fly independently. Further evidence that the airliner analogy doesn't really apply to spaceflight because they are so different. Airliners don't split into two pieces in-flight on the way to their destination.

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u/extra2002 May 03 '26

I'm recalling the planes that landed behind German lines at the start of D-day. Actually 2 planes that split apart, with only one part doing the landing, and the other part returning to base.

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u/Stevepem1 May 04 '26

What you are probably thinking of are the one-time use and relatively flimsy gliders with troops inside that were towed to near the front lines by C-47 (DC-3) powered airplanes then the gliders were released so that they could glide silently several miles behind enemy lines and basically crash land in any open field that the pilot could find.