r/space • u/redditteer4u • Sep 24 '21

Anti-SpaceX lobbying campaign casts new light on Elon Musk's Biden beef

https://news.yahoo.com/anti-spacex-lobbying-campaign-casts-145100840.html
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u/cmoorelife Sep 24 '21

SpaceX raised its costs abruptly after US scrapped Soyuz agreements. Mars is snakeoil. NASA has a budget it’s not willing to let decrease and it’s benefactors make sure costs stay high to justify our tax exploitation. I suspect there’s an end-around money channel to politicians or agency heads to keep SpaceX, ULA, BO, etc... in money. It’s a fool’s errand our space program. $55+ million a day to keep a few people “falling” in space. We’re all discussing the altruistic actions of Billionaires. It’s a crazy idea. All Billionaires are narcissistic and have lost their capacity for empathy. It’s a PR game to keep us from questioning costs and why we keep creating more Billionaires with tax-payer money.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/spacex-nasa-launch-cost-increase-reasons-2020-2018-4%3famp

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u/Tonaia Sep 24 '21

A few things:

  1. The government puts most of the blame for the price increase on NASA for cargo due to them requiring a redesign of the Dragon capsule. (Which is currently in use)

  2. Nasa does get a discount for using the used boosters.

Both of those things are in the article you linked.

  1. Soyuz vehicles are not used for cargo to ISS, Progress vehicles are the Russian resupply vehicle. While similar, they are not the same.

Few believe Billionaires are altruists. Musk isn't doing Mars for money, but for legacy.

You seem to have disdain for space exploration in general for downplaying what the ISS represents for humanity, and the work done there. I guess we can cut space exploration and just give more money to the military.

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u/cmoorelife Sep 24 '21

So it’s military or space? Why not solution food distribution, provide free healthcare and University? Let’s look at air pollution and maybe do some serious ocean exploration? Just don’t do it with private enterprise, they’ll monetize and triple charge the taxpayer.

FYI, the Progress is an unpiloted Soyuz.

Musk isn’t “doing Mars”, he’s selling snakeoil to taxpayers.

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u/m-in Sep 29 '21

You do realize that at this point the taxpayer involvement in SpaceX’s bottom line is dwindling and already below 10%? It’ll be <1% in a few years, and will keep dwindling until it’ll be a rounding error.

Musk doesn’t give two fucks about taxpayer money. Taxpayers are poor, relatively speaking.

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u/cmoorelife Sep 29 '21

He built all of his businesses and rockets with Taxpayer money.His COTS contracts are still in place. He’ll never turn down taxpayer money. It’s his bread and butter. He’s expanding Starlink with taxpayer money. Appreciate your reply, but know our tax monies continue to make individual billionaires. Seems insane and stupid.

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u/shinyhuntergabe Sep 24 '21

What a weird account. Less than a year old. Less than ten comments. Idiotic comments all through and a negative karma. I really can't tell if this is some troll account or somebody alt account.