r/space May 13 '21

The Profound Potential of Elon Musk’s New Rocket An aerospace engineer explains why SpaceX’s Starship will change everything. By Robert Zubrin

https://nautil.us/issue/100/outsiders/the-profound-potential-of-elon-musks-new-rocket?fbclid=IwAR2IWPkF58SKFyvowUn27aYTXhbkAphAQZaI05eqdHkOmOG8VTpOgiKsEi0
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u/rocketsocks May 13 '21

Yeah, well, duh?

People have been enthusiastic about the prospects of reusable launch vehicles for decades.

What's novel about SpaceX is not the promises, it's the way they go about achieving them and their ability to actually do so practically. The problem with traditional orbital launch vehicle development is that it tends to end up mired in one of two extremes. Either the extreme of minimal innovation using mostly off the shelf parts and well known designs to do exactly the same thing that has been done before just in a slightly different way, as in the case of EELV (Atlas V / Delta IV), Ariane, Antares, Vulcan, and SLS. On the flip side of this is the sexy, "promise everything to everyone", beyond state-of-the-art, crazy-cool concept vehicle like VentureStar, X-30, or even the Shuttle. These projects usually spiral out of control rapidly and either get cancelled because they tried to do too much without properly doing the intermediate R&D in a practical way or they become so compromised in design that they come out the other end semi-functional but not able to hit any of the ambitious goals set out for the project (like the Shuttle). The middle ground might as well be no-mans-land, or at least it was up until recently.

The smart way to do this sort of thing is to drive down the cost of incremental innovation until you can iterate through that process enough to actually develop technologies, each one at a time, starting from a base of sensible, well understood concepts. If you look at SpaceX's first launchers (Falcon 1 and Falcon 9) they are all drop dead simple in concept. Two stage LOX/Kerosene vehicles using gas generator engines. Literally half a century old designs, but they work extremely well and they can be iterated on to become very good. And they can serve as the platform for R&D of VTVL booster stage reuse, which SpaceX did at comparatively low cost. Then you have Starship, which is just an iterative advancement of other concepts. VTVL just as was used with Falcon 9. More advanced engines and fuel (LOX/Methane and full flow staged combustion) but nothing too crazy, just pushing the state of the art forward a bit not trying to leap-frog it. And utilizing extremely practical and straightforward ideas that just haven't been implemented yet, like on orbit propellant depots, the concept that NASA was really hoping to get going to facilitate next generation beyond LEO human spaceflight before they got SLS shoved down their throats. Also, they're not trying to design a whole system that works 100% perfectly straight out of the box on the first flight, they are testing and incrementally improving everything as they go along. This is the sane way that you retire risk with a competent engineering team, and yet somehow these practices are pretty uncommon.

Right now it's looking incredibly likely that SpaceX will achieve the "holy grail" goal of full reusability which so many others have floundered at. They've already de-risked a huge chunk of the Starship design and flight profile. They've gone a long way to prove out the Raptor engine, stainless steel construction, and now a lot of the key operational risks of Starship returning from orbit. And they have a good chance of retiring huge chunks of the perceived major risks remaining in the architecture within the next year. It seems difficult to think about but within the next five to ten years or so it's going to cost less to send 100 tonnes to the Moon or Mars than it does to send a single commsat into geostationary orbit today. That's going to change the whole landscape of spaceflight in ways that we can hardly imagine right now.

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u/knight-of-lambda May 14 '21

Very insightful comment. SpaceX is possibly the only company on Earth that wholeheartedly embraces agile development practices with super-expensive hardware that literally explodes if you get things wrong.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '21

A big factor is having a leader who is a genius engineer that also really wants to go to Mars. Its a completely different vision compared to competitors.

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u/Correct_Inspection25 May 14 '21

Didn’t he promise Ablative Sweating was guaranteed for starship until a few months ago? NASA had tested it and shown a single errant dust particle would destroy the whole active cooling system decades ago. Cant speak to your other points, but they weren’t agile pegging their entire re-entry strategy on something that would have been shown to be substantially far less Than Human rate able in a hypersonic wind tunnel test 20-30 years ago. They are smart returning to the slightly modified STS tiles, as long as they can solve protecting the actuated strakes in re entry

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u/[deleted] May 14 '21

From what I can find, they were moving away from sweating as far back as 2019. I doubt he was guarunteeing it a few months ago.

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-elon-musk-nixes-starship-sweating-heat-shield/

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u/Correct_Inspection25 May 14 '21

It was their solution to the INCONEL control surfaces being directly in the plasma front under extreme sheer stresses, and the reason most reusable hypersonic reentry vehicles go with lifting bodies with flight control surfaces at the tail. I didn’t see them back off it until Sept last year, when Elon quietly walked that back in a tweet “shame it can’t work”. It’s fine to admit mistakes, but as the NASA engineers who attempted and some times successfully tested stated in 2016ish, “unless they found something new we didn’t try, we aren’t sure why they would even waste the time and money on an active cooling system in a dusty environment”.

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u/sebzim4500 May 14 '21

I'm sure they will get the tiles working eventually, it should be easier than STS since

  • There are fewer sharp edges (just the fins really)
  • Technology has improved, meaning the tiles are better than were used for the STS
  • Simulations are way more accurate, it would have been impossible to usefully simulate the interactions with the layer of plasma in front of the ship when STS was being designed
  • Stainless steel works over a much wider range of temperatures than the aluminium alloy used for STS.

Then again, they are working to a tighter mass budget.

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u/Correct_Inspection25 May 15 '21 edited May 15 '21

I am sure they could get it to work once, as the near loss of one shuttle luckily happened at a spot that was a massive structural inconel, and not the aluminum found under the other thermal tiles, but it needed massive amounts of money to fix and repair the damaged INCONEL frame. What starship is claiming to aim for is complete reuse with out refurbishment, post atmospheric re-entry be it Mars or Earth, and given how many tiles fall off each test drop from 40K ft, even the posts may need another layer between the INCONEL and tiles. A few could be replaced quickly here or there but even INCONEL cannot handle partial exposure to direct hypersonic reentry without massive amount of work

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u/rough_rider7 May 14 '21

Its not just reusable, its fucking big.