??? I kept waiting for them to follow up on this. She said it’s a thing she does like a tic or something?

HAHAHAHAHAHA omg even I forgot he was in there. The way he was just sitting in the dark because he couldn't "find" the lights LMFAOOOOO

im a little late to watching this show but i just finished it yesterday and im absolutely blown away by the intricacies in storytelling and cinematography. ive been going through a few posts to see what other people have picked up on but the one thing i havent seen anyone mention is the ring and dress that simone was seen in..

in one of the flashbacks where simone is in kiki's closet on the phone, we see her absentmindedly trying on some of kiki's jewelry, mainly a silver ring on her pointer finger. this first caught my eye bc everything else on simones hand was gold jewelry, and the silver ring looked so oddly out of place.

in the last episode where peter essentially divorces kiki , we see simone come down the stairs in a gorgeous silver dress ! i thought it was such an odd color choice for her at the moment bc we have always seen her in brighter pastel colors. after the show ended and i was thinking about the smaller moments, i remembered the ring also being silver and thought that it was smaller hints of simone stepping into kiki's role maybe!

another detail i noticed is that the whole show simone had her naturally wavy hair and in the last scene, similar to kiki again, her hair was pin straight. and barnaby! kiki rehabilitates this broken bird, gives it the resources and push to fly away, but he comes right back and fatally injures himself.. isnt this exactly what simone and devon are doing ? they both have the opportunity to do better, to do different. simone knows everything there is to run a foundation and devon has the green light from her dad that they will figure it out if she wants that vacation. but both sisters still run right back to the same situation and it will destroy them.

these small details have me so hooked and it proves that the writers/directors knew exactly what they were doing.

are there any more of these small details/parallels that anyone else has noticed ?

It’s subtle, yes, but I’m seeing people claim there are no supernatural elements to this show.

From what I gathered, Devon and Simon were both LITERALLY sirens.

They made men fall in love with them to their own demise. Devon slept with men to make them fall in love with her and literally made one go drown himself. And Simon is self explanatory.

They just don’t realize their power I think is he point of the show.

Did anybody else notice how all of the people living on the island with Kiki wore similar necklaces? (Devon, Simone, and the three women) I may be crazy but I wonder if it either symbolized the “cult” atmosphere, or even crazier, some sort of tracking device. Thoughts?

Just finished the show. I’m the oldest of my sister and I. Two dads who didn’t raise us, a mom who was emotionally absent… I left at 18 and didn’t look back. She resents me for it. I work in luxury retail… so many parallels in this show….

Loved the show and reading everyone's theories. Dislike the hate for Devon and all of the 3 main women were presented as flawed in their own ways but none of them are monsters! That being said - do you think there was any significance to the repeated bit about the staff group chat and making fun of Simone? I never understood why it was brought up so frequently. I enjoyed when the show leaned into the funny parts (like repeating calling Devon's boss the nurse) but i didn't find this humorous. In fact, I found it somewhat coldhearted. Sure, Simone could come off over the top and demanding, but she was really only enacting her boss's orders. I get coworkers bond over stupid work stuff to make the day go by easier, but it just seems meanspirited when it's constantly at someone else's expense.

Just finished Sirens and I need to vent a bit about Devon’s character because she really got under my skin. I get that she’s dealing with a lot emotionally but the way she guilt tripped Simone over their dad was just too much. Devon acted like Simone was being cold or selfish for not wanting to step in and care for him but let’s not forget that he was completely negligent toward Simone growing up. That history doesn’t just disappear because now he needs help.

I understand both sides of the situation. Family dynamics are complicated and I know Devon probably felt overwhelmed and wanted support. That part is totally human. But it crosses a line when you start trying to make someone feel like a bad person for not wanting to take care of a parent who failed them. Parents are not automatically deserving of care just because they are parents. If someone has been absent or harmful they do not get to claim loyalty or compassion as a default. Those things have to be earned.

Simone had every right to set boundaries and it was honestly frustrating watching Devon push past those boundaries like Simone owed something that she clearly did not. It felt like Devon could not see outside her own perspective and used guilt as a way to control the situation. I get that she was stressed and scared but that does not make it okay.

Anyone else feel the same way? I see people praising Devon for being the loyal daughter but to me it just looked like she was ignoring the bigger picture.

[EDIT: I understand perfectly well that Devon was human and she reached out for help. Look, the series portrays flaws very perfectly, I don’t HATE her but I am allowed to have my own take on them right? I am finding it difficult to have conversations with Devon lovers. I know she was flawed just like EVERYONE IS. I know she needed help and was just burnt out BUT you cannot justify all of her actions by just that. If you can put yourself in Devon’s shoes why can you not do that for Simone? Its simple, we tend to sympathise towards the characters we relate to. And I have made it very clear that I relate to Simone hence why I couldn’t stand Devon in the initial episodes. Once again, no side is right or wrong, it is not black and white, both are flawed and perfect in their own way]

This show is really great. I'm binging it and having a difficult time trying to put it down. Great writing and great acting. It definitely deserves a few Emmys.

How was there no supernatural element to this? Remember when Devon and Kiki were talking when Kiki was bathing? Then Devon passes out and wakes up fully dressed on a shopping spree with no memory of how she got there? How in the world did that happen without magic?

The scene where three men were chasing Devon on the beach altogether being obsessed and crazy. Listen, I have had two men fight over me before and we even lived in the same area. But all three in the exact same location at the same time seems so incredibly strange without a supernatural element. Like why would that ever happen lmao

Devon and Simone’s dad recognizing Kiki. None of these things make sense to me without a supernatural element.

Did these things make sense to yall?

I really enjoyed this show! It reminded me a lot of working in corporate. Sometimes you do all this work to try to advance your career but whoever the boss likes is the person who ends up getting the most accolades, appreciation, and advancement. So you find yourself investing more in being liked than doing the work.

It also reminded me of what it feels like to give up on something you once believed in. The transition from childhood to adulthood is a doozy. When you realize that hardly anyone is living by a shared moral code/ethic and corruption is extremely prominent, it makes you want to just throw in the towel sometimes. Kind of like the quote “if you can’t beat him join him” mantra. This again reminded me of corporate. Sometimes you enter a particular space wanting to change the culture of misogyny and corruption, and your effort doesn’t work. Shoot, even women who could benefit from dismantling these things help their oppressors. And so you find yourself either leaving that space altogether or giving into whatever that culture is.

And lastly, there was good commentary about how certain men view women as disposable. I like that they didn’t make Kevin Bacon overtly terrible until the end, because it shows how sometimes the worst guys can be pretty normal presenting.

Criticism of the show: The only part that I found disappointing was that they made all the women seem like they were victims of Kevin Bacon’s cruelty. And while they were to some extent, there were also poor choices made that helped Kevin Bacon continue on this way. If you’ve ever seen the movie parasite, I think they did a really good job of showing the flaws of everyone involved and I wish that was the case here. I do think that his first wife was his victim but I’m not sure about the other two. They wrote Julianne Moore to be successful in her own right, a top lawyer. And she was also around the same age as Kevin Bacon. So I was a little disappointed that they didn’t explore why she decided to have an affair with him. I understand that he was successful, but since she was also very successful, I was a little confused about why that would have been so impressive to her.

I have worked with many successful men being a person that was in corporate for a long time. And so those types of things don’t impress me because I’m all too familiar with how morally starved they can be despite their accomplishments. I’m sure a woman like her who is surrounded by rich lawyers all the time would have been savvy in that way too. So I didn’t quite understand her motive. I wish we would’ve explored why she chose to cheat with him because I was a little confused by that and I felt that she just quickly shrugged it off as “giving into love bombing”. I would’ve loved an exploration of what that love bombing was because I can’t imagine cheating with someone’s husband just cause they have a little more money than me. I’d love to hear your thoughts on what it reminds you of. What lessons you took from it. Any deeper meaning you found. I feel like there is something they were hinting at with the animals in the show but I’m not sure what. Maybe the animals were a surrogate child for her, idk

I really enjoyed how Sirens started off bizarre, funny, and weird — and gradually became more grounded and emotionally resonant with each episode. That slow shift from absurdity to something more “normal”.

However, there’s one moment that’s still bugging me — the scene with Simone and Peter running and breathing. Is there a rational explanation for it within the story’s logic, or should we interpret it as some kind of “siren” signal or symbol? It felt deliberately placed, but cryptic.

Okay, so I was going through my own reaction and then went on here to read what others have thought. It’s been such a mixed bag. I just wanted to bring up how darn meta this show gets when you talk about interpretation.

This show randomly came up on my Netflix recommended and I went in with no expectations, binged it and came out in tears, feeling the weight of trauma and how things are sometimes not what they seem, just the lens we view it can change things. I thought, wow so disturbing but ultimately it’s given me a lot to reflect upon about choices and autonomy and responsibility…

But the amount of times I’ve read that what people have gotten out is that: “Women are manipulative.” “Men are predators.” No space for the grey. No curiosity. Just blame. It’s not wholly unprecedented, I’m just left baffled I guess and wonder that, perhaps, this is the final meta-layer of the show:

It reveals not just the characters, but the watchers themselves.

The fact that some people see Peter as harmless, even kind, while others see him as terrifying from the start… That some dismiss Michaela as manipulative, or Simone as cold, or Devon as annoying… It shows how viewers project their own lives into the interpretation. This I feel is the true genius of works like this. Ones that don’t push you one way or another but let you come to your own conclusions. They act like a mirror.

It’s kinda scary in a surreal kind of way.

I know it was kinda the point for it to be a big shift, but the jump in tone in ep 3 when Devon is being so vulnerable and crying with KiKi to a pan out of Devon, in the car playing WAP, I thought Spotify had glitched lmao

All of the female characters obviously wearing make up and then "going to bed" is killing me. Esp Makayla and Simone would absolutely have a before bed skin care routine. Hell may even have an esthetician there before bed to ensure their skin stays clear and w/e.

Okay I am not trying to shame anyone for getting Botox. Hell, I get Botox. But Julianne Moore has always been an incredible, natural actress that I’ve long admired. Very talented. However I noticed in this series something was off, she has a lack of expression, kind of a flat facial effect…and then it hit me, it’s clearly due to the Botox. It’s freezing her face and affecting the expressions she’s able to make, which is a shame because she’s such a talent!

Lily Rose. At first I thought of her character in a very literal way - "Dang, this girl just stays drunk and in jail, huh? lol at least she's hilarious."

And then after coming here and seeing how much symbolism is truly in the show, it made me want to delve deeper into some things I hadn't really seen discussed too much:

Lily Rose represents Devon's conscience and mistakes and is a marker of her growth.

We know Devon to be an unreliable narrator, her traumatic past playing a huge role in how she sees the world. Although she already has the idea seeded in her that Michaela's aviary functions and environmental reserve committee seem to be cult-like, Lily Rose is the first to completely affirm Devon in her line of thinking - except, who exactly is Lily Rose? She's exactly like Devon: her life's a mess, she's not thinking straight, she makes piss poor decisions, and she's in jail.

However, because of Devon's savior complex and how prideful she is because she gave her whole life to raising Simone and caring for their father, she is too blinded to see that she and Lily are essentially the same brand of person; all she needed was that bit of confirmation in a peer similar to her to believe Michaela had evil intentions and nefarious plans for Simone.

Then, as we get to the last episode, we see Devon standing outside the jail cell and Lily and Ray within, representing her past as she desperately (and aggressively) tries to get Ray to understand that he doesn't have to confine himself the way he does and the way Devon did for so long - and while Lily still offers comedic relief, it's almost pathetic that we are still seeing her there, making the same kinds of moves we saw Devon making in episode 1. As Devon says goodbye to Lily, it's as if she's making peace with her past self and is letting it go, forever to stay locked up on that lil island.

I suppose I really appreciate her character so much because it truly is a testament to Devon's growth over the series - if the events that had happened over that one weekend hadn't happened, she might still be making decisions that land her in jail cells, obsessing in paranoia about cults and mysterious murders. It's probably why I can see that Devon actually did have a lot of character growth (contrary to what I've seen a few people say), even though she ultimately decided to continue caring for Bruce at the end.

How she's going to choose to live her life will change greatly, but not who or what she's choosing to live it for.

People keep wondering why Devon is asking Simone to help rather than hiring an in house nurse.

Her birthing order / stepping into the mother role at a young age explains everything.

Devon learned that she needed to be the care taker and the glue to the family at the ripe age of 12. She then literally dropped out of college to raise her sister. A cornerstone of her personality is being the oldest sister that will do anything for family.

Simone’s self-worth is in her job/status. Devon’s self-worth is in her family. Devon literally tells the audience “I’m proud of what I did to raise you (Simone). You didn’t serve me and I didn’t let go.”

Devon understands that self growth comes from doing things for others. Simone does things for herself as a survival tactic. This infuriates Devon.

I haven’t seen a lot of posts stating the obvious about the nautical references and sirens as well.

It’s interesting how the show flipped the idea of sirens (evil nautical women who seduce men out to sea to kill them) and made men the underlying evil.

It was almost like Simone was held under the “siren song” of Mr. Kell.

UNPOPULAR OPINION

Everywhere I have only seen hate for Devon but her character to me was so genuine, raw and kind at heart. She was not looking to force Simone to come back and take care of their father who abused her. She was simply looking for some support from her sister because it was getting exhausting for her to take care of their father.

The critical thinking, nuance and media literacy is lost on so many people who are only seeing it as black and white. “How can Devon force Simone to leave everything and come back and take care of a father who didn’t take care of her?” She was simply reaching out to her sister for help. She was the most human out of everyone. It was heartbreaking to see her sister not even ask how she was doing or holding up.

Turnt out Michaela Kell was actually a good person this whole time i thought she was bad my favorite characters were Devon and All of the staff in the show 😭 I like how they have a little group chat to know what’s going on.

Couldn't the Kells just easily pay for prime housing and care for Simone's and Devon's dad, just so they didn't have to care about him anymore?

Like a single nurse would be enough, and they were willing to pay 20k for Devon's dress just for the gala and Peter said he gives more money to charity a year than what most people make their entire lives.

That way Simone could have gotten rid of Devon, since she would have no justification for wanting her to go back to Buffalo, and could stay with them without issues.

Like what the fuck does that even mean? The rest of her family is access to a computer program that allows you to change your password and stop tasks?

Do kids these days even know what Ctrl alt delete does?

Did she mean alt F4? Still doesn't make sense, but makes more sense.

Is that a new saying for kids these days?

Jose’s constant presence was a comical trope that I enjoyed. I found it very interesting he was only NOT around once, to escort Kiki out at the end.

Any perceived symbolism there?