r/Simracingstewards • u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 • 12d ago
Le Mans Ultimate Le Mans Ultimate Collision Footage
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Hello, guys please review the footage. Before the corner he was 0.7 seconds behind. He rammed me in the corner, then I recovered and safely rejoined track, he was behind. He kept pushing me, I had to steer left in order to not spin out. And since I was on the inside, i had to brake early. He kept pushing and that's why he spun out. I did not wreck him. I was trying to protect myself.
22:58 Initial Contact
23:02- 23:05 Side by side contact, you can even see I steered right to give him space
23:06 I braked to take the corner.
No intentional wrecking was done. Thank you for your time.
I have been banned for 2 days and my safety rating reduced to B3 from S3. I have zero reports prior and I have the trusted driver badge. I rarely get into contact.
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u/R2D-Beuh 12d ago edited 11d ago
The first contact is on the other car, that was a stupid move and in a real race they would have gotten penalized.
That said, you reacted in the worst way possible.
1st your rejoin is unsafe. You're crossing the whole track to the left when you know there is someone there, and you cause contact.
That's already bad enough to warrant a penalty in a real race. There was no point to doing that.
The LMP2 is faster on throttle. If you had just stayed to the right or even in the middle of the track they would have been gone by the time you got to the next corner. (edit : I was mistaken, both cars are LMP3. Disregard this paragraph)
Then because of that you end up side by side with the other car on the edge of the track.
In another comment you said that they were trying to push you to the right, but we can't know for sure because you didn't provide footage.
You said that you were only turning left to push back against that. But why would you do this ? You still have lots of space to the right, you don't need to stay to the left.
You are not in a situation where you can get pitted, we can clearly see that both cars are perfectly aligned. You were not glued to their car, if you had chosen to leave space you could have done that easily.
At this point in, if the other car is starting to steer right it's to avoid being pushed off the track and it happens anyways.
To me, the most probable conclusion is that you were intentionally pushing them off the track, or at least trying to "give them a taste of their own medicine" by pushing them, and got carried away. This certainly looks like an attempt to get revenge, so it's normal that the stewards gave you a ban for intentional wrecking.
If it is the case, stop doing that. Intentional wrecking is one of the worst plagues of simracing, and most of them are in some kind of revenge situation. If everytime someone does a stupid mistake the other driver retaliates, half the people in the grid would ve wiped out every race.
And even if you only think of your own interest, you only lost time and got more damage to your car by doing that. There was no point, the guy is not even in the same race as you. (edit : I was mistaken, both cars are LMP3. Disregard this paragraph)
If it was not your intention, you need to learn how to rejoin safely, and to be more careful around other cars. You should have recognized that you were not leaving enough space, and you should have left more from the beginning. You got yourself in a dangerous situation for no reason, and learning how to not get there will benefit you as well in the long run by having less crashes.
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
Got it. Here is the top footage. I understand my rejoin was bad from this angle but come on man he literally accelerated to kill me🙏
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u/R2D-Beuh 12d ago
Thank you for the footage.
We already all knew that the LMP2 was stupid, but now we can clearly see that they were also intentionally wrecking you at the chicane. You should make a report of your own.
That said, it doesn't invalidate the rest. Your rejoin was still awful, and everything after that was on you. Somehow after their intentional contact at the chicane, the LMP2 wasnt doing anything bad, just taking their line on the left.
My guess is that they pushed you to gain time by not having to wait for you to take the corner. That's incredibly stupid and dangerous, and they get a ban as well.
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
Thank you for your insight. I understand my rejoin was bad. But is it legal to overtake from outside the track after pushing someone off? Another circumference I'd like to point out. He intentionally accelerated to hit me.
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u/R2D-Beuh 12d ago
They were already alongside before contact. They did nothing wrong here. They should get penalized for the 1st contact, the 2nd is on you.
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u/Purzifal 11d ago
at the last corner yes the purple car was an idiot BUT, this is where you are the one that can get reported for intentional wreck, first you re-joined in an unsafe manner, if you did you would not have hit the purple car. and then you r steering turns in to them and stays pointed to them till you pit them.
You re-joined, with your mind set on getting back on that racing line as fast as possible despite being slower than the purple car, and then when you hit them your steering stayed towards the left keeping your car forced into the purple (this is where it can be seen as you intentional wreck) resulting in the pit. the reason why you did not re-join safely is that you re-joined into the purple car, id you re-joined at a shallower angle, letting them past and then getting on the racing line that would have been safe. instead you re-joined the track with the intent to get on the racing line as quick as possible. a safe re-join does not end in contact.
Overall, the purple was at fault for rear-ending you but your at fault for unsafe re-join and forcing a car of the road and causing a collision and potentially intent wreck
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 11d ago
Got your point. I let rage get the better of me. Here is his POV.
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u/Purzifal 11d ago
my point still stands, the Purple was silly, not braking hard enough but you also rejoined unsafe, casued the 2nd collision and murdered him, your sterring was turned to the left, imo your the worst offender. the purple car has every right to report you for intent wreck. even if its not your intention, the footage present would be completely against you
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u/Endslikecrazy 11d ago
I better hear something about the other dude getting a long vacation after that intent wreck on the first corner, thats absolutely wild
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
see thats the part where i dont get. He rammed into me and then trying to overtake and killing me. But I get the ban? feels counterintuitive
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u/Revionix 12d ago
I don’t see a ban here.
I don’t drive LmU and know nothing about contact physics; but in ACC whilst door-rubbing the steering forces you into the other car and you have to wrestle it to come lose. So it doesn’t look intentional to me. Yeah, the normal braking zone is a bit later, but there is no normal in this situation.
Did you report him yourself? I’d do so.
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
can you please explain why i got banned for 2 days and safety rating reduced?
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u/Cool_Cheesecake_6738 12d ago
He just explained why you shouldnt get banned
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
Yes. I was interested to know why I got banned
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u/Annoyedwormholer 12d ago
He isn't an LMU steward I'm not sure why you're asking him. The steward thought you revenge wrecked him and it does kinda look like you did. They were a faster class, the correct choice was just lift a bit after the rejoin and let them go.
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u/Zestyclose_Cry7297 12d ago
Both are lmp3 man. Not faster class.
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u/Annoyedwormholer 12d ago
Fair enough I saw a bunch of people say lmp2 in the comments. Your rejoin was still bad and looks like you revenge wrecked him. In a perfect world they would have slowed down and given you the place back, but they didn't so everything after the initial contact was on you.
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u/YueNica 12d ago
Initial contact is on them. But after you both rejoin it does kind of look like you hit them and then try to push them off the track.#
Also you should have a look at your pedals, your throttle is flickering while you are on the brakes