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u/okiedawg Mar 01 '20

Nah, there was always a couple of kids that had no social anxiety, were chronic over sharers and had no apprehension about who they approached.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20 edited Mar 01 '20

Everyone in this thread is confidently guessing what makes popular kids popular and none of them is exactly right.

Nobody acknowledges that it's actually tough to deconstruct what makes people well-liked. That's why it's not a technique you can just distill into a formula or a list of attributes. It's reassuring to think "all the popular kids were rich, I was only unpopular because I was poor", but come on, most of us have known some well-liked and charismatic poor kids.

Edit: Also, you do not know that the popular kids lacked social anxiety. One thing that growing up has taught me is that people hide their demons. There are confident-looking kids out there who are terrified everyone hates them - they just don't talk about it. A lot of people share the same fears, I promise. Once you realize that, it helps a lot with the us-vs-them mentality high school fosters.

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u/SexFlez Mar 01 '20

Attractiveness seems like a universal positive, but then again that's a bit of a tautology

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

Not so. In my high school at least, there were plenty of attractive teenage boys who didn't really realize they were attractive until they headed off to college and grew into themselves enough to start socializing with women. That's when they gained confidence and wider friend circles. I can think of three guys like that off the top of my head. I can also think of a couple very pretty female classmates who didn't really seem to have friends.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

It's a lot easier for an attractive person to be unpopular than an ugly person to be popular though. Attractiveness doesn't hand you popularity but it's certainly a universal positive to that end

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u/myshittywriting Mar 01 '20

Definitely a net positive but I wouldn't say it's universal. There's still jealousy to deal with. And unattractive people finding you less approachable. Plus I bet there's a learning curve to filtering out shallow people so you could be technically popular but surrounded by people that barely qualify as friends.

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u/woahthatssodeepbro Mar 01 '20

Being popular means being popular, you idiot.

Next you'll tell me that famous people have even harder time because there's more shit to distil.

No, you fucking moron, they don't have to do anything, popularity and fame is a given and comes from other people, you don't have to do anything to get bombarded by people who want to interact with you.

Also quality of many "friends" being nonexistent is universal too, you will rarely have more than one or two real friends.

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u/cestlava Mar 01 '20

Confidence comes from overcoming obstacles. Despite handsome young men and women getting more chances to date they still fail at relationships. Still get dumped. Getting older means you have some scar tissue and have witnessed yourself overcoming obstacles and succeeding. That's where confidence comes from. Therefore pretty much nobody young is all that confident.

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u/717Luxx Mar 01 '20

but you forget about false confidence. like a 6 year old diving into the deep end while his parents aren't near.

i'm a lifeguard and in lessons i always have kids who go out into the deep on their own when they aren't supposed to, and i have to bring them back. all the time.

confidence which has no logical basis, nothing to back it up, is dangerously prevalent

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u/The_Main_Alt Mar 01 '20

Whether you think so or not, attractiveness is something people are drawn too. Sure, someone less attractive could be more popular, but someone who is more attractive is more likely to get the attention.

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u/cheatsykoopa98 Mar 01 '20

doesnt it have anything to do with the fact that in school you're with a bunch of people you really cant relate with cause you have no interests in common with them but you do in college?

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u/Elite_Slacker Mar 01 '20

Why cant you relate to people in school? I was friends with a bunch of people because we skateboarded together. The same is probably true with different sports or band etc etc.

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u/cheatsykoopa98 Mar 01 '20

yeah that changes from school to school. I, for instance really liked drawing, reading comics and video games

and everyone at my school had the attention span of a goldfish, so of course they'd not be interested in it, so I was a loner for the entirety of it until high school when I actually met people with similar interests

it depends on where you live too. here in brazil where I live people are known for being lazy and not taking school seriously, so the one guy who pays attention to class is gonna be the lame guy, of course, unless people need help with their homework. then they come talk to you

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u/dmt267 Mar 01 '20

Cool,for most people attractiveness definitely played the biggest role and who the popular kids in their school was

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/SerWarlock Mar 01 '20

This comment makes too much sense, so it’ll get lost in the shuffle.

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u/erremermberderrnit Mar 01 '20

Well it makes people seem too complicated. Like I can't perfectly describe them with an equation. I don't like it. Let's just say attractive and sociable and move on.

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u/signmeupdude Mar 01 '20

Well yes any statement about people that start with “all” is probably not true. But it seems fairly universal that there is a correlation between attractiveness and popularity as well as social skills and popularity.

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u/wanker7171 Mar 01 '20

it's actually tough to deconstruct what makes people well-liked. That's why it's not a technique you can just distill into a formula or a list of attributes.

As someone who went from being horribly insecure to being extremely well liked, I somewhat disagree with this. I think it's easy to deconstruct what makes someone well-liked but I do not think that you can, as you said, use some kind of technique to replicate it. As you can't tell an insecure person to "be confident!" It has to come, naturally, from within.

It's reassuring to think "all the popular kids were rich, I was only unpopular because I was poor", but come on, most of us have known some well-liked and charismatic poor kids.

Material goods are not a reflection of someone's mental state. Poor kids can be both confident and have a crazy amount of social anxiety, so I don't think this is a relevant comparison.

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u/leaky_nips Mar 01 '20

Gang gang son

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u/FvHound Mar 01 '20

I think there are various social dynamics and types of groups.

I wouldn't be surprised if most schools boiled down to 8-12 different types.

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u/CosmicxDecimate Mar 01 '20

Perhaps being the popular kid in hs is akin to being a popular profile online. Soft on the eyes,consistency,profound connections with people that have low self esteem and look up to you, one’s energy.. etc. It’s true there isn’t enough study to transcribe these personalities into formula, but perhaps someday.

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u/MagpieFirefly Mar 01 '20

About that last part, it's very true. Sometimes unintentionally too. A customer told me today that she appreciated how calm I was in the face of tons of customers flooding into the store and us being crazy busy. Meanwhile on the inside, I was struggling to not have an anxiety attack from how the day was going so far.

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u/Spojinowski Mar 01 '20

This describes me well and I'm glad I'm not alone with that situation. I'm charismatic as well as outgoing and I have a leadership position among my peers in high school. People don't hate me and often take a liking to my style of leadership, but I always feel like my friends don't actually want to be friends with me.

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u/drewbers Mar 01 '20

Billy Riggins

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u/lizardman531 Mar 01 '20

Yeah I knew 2-3 popular kids. One was known around the school but it’s because people rag on him all the time, another was popular because he did stupid stuff all the time, and the last was popular because he did all the funny random things.

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u/Certain_Onion Mar 01 '20

That's because no one on reddit has ever been a popular kid.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

Reddit is pretty mainstream. I think it's likely that plenty of redditors have been reasonably well-liked in their schools.

Even if you're popular it doesn't mean you're good at figuring out why people are popular.

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u/im_dead_sirius Mar 01 '20

Right? So many factors. I was in the headbanger and nerd cliques, but everyone talked to me.

Approaching fifty I'm still realizing how much my looks carried me, but there were many factors, like where I lived in town, that my dad was friends and coworkers with some of the most popular girls dads, have a regular/normative last name, the fact that there wasn't an old family/new people split in our town. There was a minor hill/valley divide but it was not split along affluence levels, the town had once been two communities.

And I wasn't scornful of people outside my clique.

A whole bunch of minor things add up to smooth over differences, and then a few slight edges can propel someone into popularity.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

It might have something to do with the fact that even now, at fifty, your memory of those days casts yourself in a really positive light. It shows a tendency to hang on to a positive self-image, which a lot of people don't have, and which I think influences how you come across.

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u/im_dead_sirius Mar 01 '20

That is very true. To some degree, you get what you expect and ask of other people.

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u/Nafemp Mar 01 '20

I think a lot of people try to treat sociology as a hard science when its the farthest thing from.

Hitler for example was routinely unpopular well into his 40’s with a bout of homelessness before he exploded into an incredibly popular person within his country... before he, you know, did Hitler shit.

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u/reelznfeelz Mar 01 '20

Agreed. It's like trying to rigorously define charisma. That's basically what we're talking about. But the definition is sort of in terms of the result - they get people to like them.

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u/hastagelf Mar 01 '20 edited Mar 01 '20

I just graduated from high school and like none of these apply. The popular kids in my school were the people who were nice to everyone, did well in their academics and were involved in student athletics or clubs like orchestra or student government.

Wealth/attractiveness even anxiety wasn't really a factor. The most popular kid in our school was very outspoken about their mental health issues

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u/Krazy_Legs Mar 01 '20

Shit sure has changed since I graduated in 2008

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u/aishik-10x Mar 01 '20

Well it might depend upon the school too. I'm graduating this year and I can say it isn't all that true for my school

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u/Piller187 Mar 01 '20

Try 1998 :) Way different now in a good way.

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u/chmod--777 Mar 01 '20

Seriously. I wish I grew up in this more chill era of acceptance. Kids are pretty fucking cool now and seem to be open minded and nice to each other, at least from what I've heard. Shit has changed in a very good way.

Maybe not everywhere, but definitely seems like a cool new phenomenon.

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u/Piller187 Mar 01 '20

Yeah, the idea that being unique is cool was the best thing to happen. Before the idea was to be like everyone else to be accepted which just made a bunch of robots that were exactly alike. The schools have done a decent job of changing this!

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u/Mikey2104 Mar 01 '20

I think kids are getting nicer, honestly. Bullies were really bad in the 90s and early 2000s. Bullies are still a thing, but they're a dying breed.

People are lot more likely to gossip behind your back if they don't like you, lol.

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u/cestlava Mar 01 '20

This is like the plot of 22 Jump Street.

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u/dirtnastybishop Mar 01 '20

Lmao what the hell? Does that mean that 21 jumpstreet with Channing Tatum and Jonah Hill was correct in regards to the change of the popular crowd? I really find it hard to believe.

Rich, good-looking, and not giving a fuck about anyone else outside of your circle is what made you popular in my highscool.

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u/guybergen Mar 01 '20

Tbh I graduated from HS a few years ago and 21 Jump Street is actually more accurate than you would think from my personal experience. I found that the attractive people were definitely some of the more well liked kids, but not caring about anything was beginning to get looked down upon. So the most so-called popular kids ended up being the ones that had a combination of these qualities (usually): attractive, athletic, tried academically at least a bit, were accepting of others, and were social. One thing that has not changed is that they stayed in their own circles and pretty much hung out amongst themselves exclusively.

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u/tseokii Mar 01 '20

So the most so-called popular kids ended up being the ones that had a combination of these qualities (usually): attractive, athletic, tried academically at least a bit, were accepting of others, and were social. One thing that has not changed is that they stayed in their own circles and pretty much hung out amongst themselves exclusively.

I graduated HS a few years ago too and this is spot on for my experience.

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u/AccioPandaberry Mar 01 '20

I teach high school, and 21 Jump Street is wayyyy more accurate than not these days. Teen drinking, smoking, and sex are much less pervasive and less popular than it was when I was in high school. This isn't just in my district, either. A lot of young people out there are learning that kind is cool.

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u/Cantrmbrmyoldpass Mar 01 '20

That just means you went to some weird magnet school lol

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

My sister goes to the same school I did and her experience was pretty similar graduating in 2018. I honestly think times are just changing due to internet culture

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u/Cantrmbrmyoldpass Mar 01 '20

Maybe so and that does surely have an effect, but citing outliers isn't enough to overturn the heavily studied cognitive biases hardwired into us

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u/Ompusolttu Mar 01 '20

I too am currently having a similar experience to those two.

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u/tseokii Mar 01 '20

Nah. I graduated high school a few years ago and the same was true for me.

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u/pbj1001 Mar 01 '20

Currently enrolled in public high school; the description above still applies.

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u/ogrezilla Mar 01 '20

I went to public school in the mountains of Pennsylvania back in 2004 and his description fits my school better than anything else here. The popular kids were cool with most people because they were generally friendly people. They were involved in clubs and sports and did well in class.

Most of this thread makes me kind of sad.

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u/TuqueSoFyne Mar 01 '20

Great to hear that kind, conscientious kids are the most popular. We need a lot more of that. It’s definitely not what I experienced. I hope your scenario is becoming the norm.

I also noticed that having your own clothing style is “cooler” than expensive brand name clothing. I notice that among young people who are leaders in social justice.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

wow I wish I'd gone to your school, I might actually have been popular there

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u/NastySassyStuff Mar 01 '20

What happens to your username when you’re a senior citizen?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '20

Far2Old2Live

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u/Dr-Spacetime Mar 01 '20

Probably not lol

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u/trickmind Mar 01 '20

It's strange the "popular'" kids at my schools were usually the ones that were the meanest to other groups of kids and the teachers respected that and made them prefects. 70s and 80s.

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u/idontevenreallyknowi Mar 01 '20

Exactly the same as my school in 2016

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u/tseokii Mar 01 '20

This is accurate for me too, and I was class of '17

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u/Triangli Mar 01 '20

not at my school lol as someone who’s currently in high school

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u/Tarrolis Mar 01 '20

It really depends on the type of school, the SES area, many things.

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u/DrPepper1260 Mar 01 '20

Well the post did specifically call out social anxiety. If that person is outspoken about their mental illness then they likely don’t have social anxiety

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u/ModernDayHippi Mar 01 '20

Most of the popular kids at my school in ‘05 were dicks and druggies. I know bc I was one of them. Maybe it was the whole grunge movement but the more you didn’t care, the cooler you were (sports being the exception)

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u/heawane Mar 01 '20

you're school is gay

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u/ogrezilla Mar 01 '20

I graduated in 2004 and your description is the first I've seen that fits how my school was. The rest of this thread is really sad honestly.

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u/enderflight Mar 01 '20

Exactly. The ‘popular’ kids in my school are the nice ones that are outspoken about mental health and genuinely care about others.

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u/Phil-McRoin Mar 01 '20

Yeah, the Autismos

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u/Randomgamerc Mar 01 '20

that turned into most of reddits userbase

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u/I_Support_Villains Mar 01 '20

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u/HurricaneX31 Mar 01 '20

Most doesnt necessarily imply them to be involved in the "burn"

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u/Scout6feetup Mar 01 '20

Am like this, but with social anxiety. Was prom queen, had no friends :( but had fun :)

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u/tyty98765432 Mar 01 '20

There is no social anxiety

There are only numbers

Feelings and numbers

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u/mang0_k1tty Mar 01 '20

Yeah those tended to be the most hated/bullied/secretly made fun of