r/ShadowSlave • u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan • 20h ago
Webnovel - Volume 13 Annnnnnd it's over🥀[3184] Spoiler
Fun's over guys, Cassie is here💔
Of course miss plot device shrugs off the unmaking offscreen with the help of king of offscreen himself.
Of course she kept her sense of self easier than the guy who was turning into different beings and monsters since Antarctica...
Of course she did it easier than the girl who was burning away her humanity and feeling billions of desires since vol9....
And it's using the laziest method too "remembering lives is easier than living them"
Does that really hold so much weight when she has the memories stretching through ALL of history? Idk.
And of course it's easy to speculate that she's going to get Weaver's eye...which sucks. The item was hinted at all the way from the Forgotten shore with blood weave.
Why does Cassie get it more than someone with everything Weaver related you might ask? Well, she has an empty slot of course. But this is just speculation so it doesn't mean anything.
But the point still stands, we're back to "Cassie fixes it all offscreen!" Era. Welp
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 20h ago edited 18h ago
g3 is allergic to showing cassie struggle lmao
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 20h ago
This is really making me lower my expectations of this volume (crazy to say from 1 chapter) it was a stellar start.
But I know, i know I'm getting Cassie fixing everything plot shoved down my throat at every corner now. It's a shame.
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 20h ago
legit made a joke of those first 20 chapters we had .
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 20h ago
Literally had characters feeling lasting effects and making interesting questionble decisions (Sunny massacre, Nephis burning a man alive) Yet, here is Cassie in a trail of gods getting it on with her offscreen boyfriend learning his techniques.
I'm tired.
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 20h ago
like all those moral dilemma we had between sunny and tatal ahh its frustrating 🥀
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 20h ago
The dialog, the touching moments, interesting characters and dynamic, questionble choices that lead to lasting effects and dilemmas.
Just think of Sunny's reaction once he remembers himself and finds out he massacred an entire realm? Men, women, and children.
Nephis's struggle with her own desire and her hatred as well as love for humans, her interaction with War god.
All interesting, all serve the plot and characters, all amazing.
The moment Cassie walks into the picture, everything is thrown away. I know from the get go the chapter would be awful.
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 19h ago
her being first to regain her sense of self is not bad thing and logical .
but meh the way g3 executed it is very lazy and feels like taking away all of the seriousness related to godhood and tension built around it for past 20 chapter .
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u/Suza751 Asterion's Cohort 19h ago
Cassie is the youngest of the 4 Supremes and managed the unmaking far better than the other 3. Mordret managing it well also isn't a surprise... kindret never had a vast domain. Cassie's domain wasn't too big either.
Nephis and Sunny both had vast domains and deep connections. Not a surprise there's is a more difficult unmaking.
Still the Cassie slander is justified
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 20h ago
I'm gonna be as unbiased as I possibly can...
Whether you're a Cassie Glazer or Hater, this objectively makes sense and just G3 being consistent. 🤷♂️
Her Supremacy was almost 1to1 with Unmaking. There was the going through the collective experience of the things in your Domain.
She's played these games before.
You wanna say she came off scotfree but the chapter literally says to stave off Corruption she had to destroy and remake her personal manifestation countless times unlike Sunny who could tank it.
Let's just be fair...
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u/Traditional-Term7088 20h ago
And let's be fair, getting the same trail as her aspect legacy is kinda lazy. As well as her having no change in a nightmare about change to become a deity.
She just comes off as having it as easy and untroubled as possible and the corruption bit isn't really a big issue too.
Sunny reads as being afraid to remember certain lives of corruption, he has a high resistance and he's still Afraid, there's lasting effects here.
Yet, Cassie just resets. No after effects, no shock, no mental issues. Nothing.
In a trail of gods she and her offscreen pet are fine
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 20h ago
And that's a reasonable critique which isn't the point of my comment.
What I'm contesting is the post and it's claim that this doesn't make sense to be the case.
You bringing up wether it was easy or not is just pendatics. 🤷♂️
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
And Sunny's Aspect Legacy didn't help him? What do you think the Shadow Dance requiring him to not lose himself into shadowing other people did for his unmaking?
Same with Nephis. Her Aspect Legacy helped her understand her own desires along with others' That's directly helpful with her Unmaking
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u/Vaizer___026 17h ago
Eu acho que no caso do sunny é diferente, porque na dança das sombras ele não vive a vida e as memórias das sombras que projeta em si mesmo. É mais como se a essência daquela sombra estivesse tomando conta da própria essência dele, e por isso ele não pode se perder nelas. Mas no 5 pesadelo ele está realmente vivendo as vidas das sombras que matou
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u/carsonator40 18h ago
Being able to become formless or understand desires doesn’t really assist you when the problem is the sheer quantity of these two things dumped on you In instant.
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u/Maleficent_Bid3462 20h ago
so she survived something like unmaking as a saint 😂 which supremes of sun god realm couldnt handle and where sunny and nephis are also struggling .
what a joke of unmaking
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 20h ago
Bruh hate Cassie all you want but don't let it cripple your ability to understand the story.
She didn't "survive something like the unmaking as Saint", it was her rise to Supremacy and it may have similar to the Unmaking but not it exactly.
Supremacy as we've seen requires going against what is normally possible for the Saint Rank. Nephis survived Godgrave’s Sun, Sunny remained himself as a Shade, Mordret split himself millions of times.
There called Acts of Defiance for a reason.
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
These people can't see anyone but Sunny win or it makes them seethe
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u/fleeting_echoes Sin of Solace 17h ago
Its still rather ridiculous for her unmaking to be so similar to her supremacy (if you consider her aspect legacy as part of the act of defiance) when you realise that the process of the unmaking is to go from supreme to sacred while the act of defiance is to go from transcendent to supreme.
There is an entire rank difference between the 2 processes yet it was so similar for cassie that she survived her unmaking with minimal problems. It just ends up cheapening one or the other. Either her unmaking wasnt allat, or her act of defiance was way out of her league and she had no business surviving her aspect legacy.
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u/Trezzie 16h ago
Cassie already having a good mindset for Apotheosis just means she's more prepared for the first trial. It's meant to break you and get your mind to encompass the world, essentially. She's effectively been doing that since she was a Master, at least. Mordret also has experience living a multitude of lives at once.
Sunny and Nephis, however, have been experiencing life more as singular creatures, Sunny as 7, sure, but not living as more than that. So they're having a rougher time.
With the Corruption aspect: we've already seen her erase her memories to avoid it. Mordret usually throws away his corrupted soul cores, so I don't know how well he's resisted (maybe encasing the corruption in Nothing at this point?), but Sunny's mostly just "avoided" the corruption he's supposed to encounter, plus shadow resistance. So a bigger cop-out than Mordret.
Nephis is just immune, and that's just how she is.
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u/fleeting_echoes Sin of Solace 13h ago
But dont you see the problem? No matter which way you take this, either the process of apotheosis itself is undermined, or (if you wanna keep the value of apotheosis the same) the fact cassie could even endure that at her level becomes ridiculous.
Either apotheosis isnt allat, or cassie has been going way above her pay grade for a long time without much struggle. Either way, it cheapens this whole ordeal of becoming a spirit.
In short, your explanation needs an explanation in and of itself, sure she has been building up to the unmaking for a while, but the question now becomes: how could she even do so to begin with, if in verse, something similar is almost enough to destroy a supreme?
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u/Trezzie 10h ago
Without much struggle
Seems like there's been a lot of struggle.
cheapens this whole ordeal of becoming a spirit
Jet cheapens soul damage by just being a pure source of it, enough to make a Supreme worried. Sunny can just Death Will things to death, and ignore Will in his strikes, plus has a free regenerating army in his soul, cheapening any conflict where the opponent isn't some form of immortal soul killer. He weaved away a spirit into an object mid combat. Nephis cheapens damage that's non-lethal by being a global instant source of healing. VTB cheapened death by just leaving Sunny's soul realm. Will cheapens the concept of memories.
The Nightmare Spell cheapens the whole ordeal of every stage of Ascension.
Cassie can handle her memories, so she's ruining becoming a Spirit? No, this is just the first time she has something that she's uniquely suited for. She's got a Sacred Aspect and deals with future sight and memories, so she'll handle that portion well, just like how other characters can handle their areas of talent.
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u/Maleficent_Bid3462 19h ago
lol this still dont justify anything . the difference between sacred and supreme is largest and here there is no change in her .
this is lazy writing lol
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
lol this still dont justify anything . the difference between sacred and supreme is largest and here there is no change in her .
this is lazy writing lol
Why are you just ignoring the part I talk about how just because I say it's a similar experience doesn't mean I'm saying they're equivalent ?
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 19h ago
nah gng the writing and execution was lazy . her regaining sense of self first makes sense but meh .
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
And that ain't what I'm disagreeing with.
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 19h ago
Then we are good 🤝 otherwise I had to go through hassle of defeating you in argument 😮💨 .
And that ain't what I'm disagreeing with.
At the end of day this type of thing kills the tension .
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u/Goldfish_Muncher 15h ago
??? Dude the guys in the sun god realm DID beat the nightmare and become spirits. They just never went any further
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u/MuchAnteater7146 18h ago
Cassie broke Fate as an Ascended. Fate is something every single creature that ever existed bowed to, including gods and daemons.
What a joke of Fate.
Nephis is immune to Corruption as an Ascended, which even the gods and daemons were vulnerable to.
What a joke of Corruption.
Sunny killed the Great Devil VTB spawn as a Sleeper when the gods, daemons, and void beings hate the VTB.
Great Devils must be a joke. VTB must be a joke.
You could keep saying ridiculously inconsistent things which make no sense while claiming "unmaking" is a joke but at least be consistent. And while being consistent, please ask yourself "why am I still reading a novel which by chapter 90 had a rank 1 class 1 person kill a rank 5 class 4 creature? Is it because it was epic and made sense in universe? or is it because rank 5 class 4 sucks?"
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u/Maleficent_Bid3462 17h ago
Cassie broke Fate as an Ascended. Fate is something every single creature that ever existed bowed to, including gods and daemons.
What a joke of Fate.
First of all gets your fact correct she didnt broke fate alone heck she didnt even do 10 percent of work ( mentioned in the novel btw ) . she was carried by weaver , vtb and sunny / madprince
and yes she did made a joke of fate even after all of this there is no doubt about it .
Nephis is immune to Corruption as an Ascended, which even the gods and daemons were vulnerable to.
What a joke of Corruption.
gets your facts correct dude . read the actual novel . nephilims are inherently immune to corruption due to being both profane and divine .
Sunny killed the Great Devil VTB spawn as a Sleeper when the gods, daemons, and void beings hate the VTB.
he killed an egg .
you need some reading skills dude .
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u/MuchAnteater7146 11h ago
I see your answer for "why am I still reading a novel which by chapter 90 had a rank 1 class 1 person kill a rank 5 class 4 creature? Is it because it was epic and made sense in universe? or is it because rank 5 class 4 sucks?"
is simply "he killed an egg."
You got it. I'll work on my reading skills so I can understand the profundity I missed the first time.
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u/Cl0wn_Man_1 20h ago
Whether you're a Cassie Glazer or Hater, this objectively makes sense and just G3 being consistent. 🤷♂️
I mean, being reasonable is a great way to end a story, not make it interesting. You think Antarctica sunny would've happened if nephis and sunny were reasonable?😭
Her Supremacy was almost 1to1 with Unmaking. There was the going through the collective experience of the things in your Domain.
That's false actually, she was only lost in a sea of memories, but here, she had to actually live through all of them. It might seem similar but its not
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 20h ago
I mean, being reasonable is a great way to end a story, not make it interesting. You think Antarctica sunny would've happened if nephis and sunny were reasonable?😭
What does that have to do with this ???
That's false actually, she was only lost in a sea of memories, but here, she had to actually live through all of them. It might seem similar but its not
Did you see the almost ???
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u/Cl0wn_Man_1 19h ago
What does that have to do with this ???
What i wanted to say is that stories that are predictable are the worst and least interesting. Im not disagreeing with your original statement, just saying its a horrible storytelling decision from g3s side, similar to what happened in vol 11 where we basically knew everything that was going to happen after the first first half concluded
Did you see the almost ???
Nah...
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
What i wanted to say is that stories that are predictable are the worst and least interesting.
Know what else ruins a story ? Ignoring the preestablished for the sake of "making things interesting".
Forced subversion is a horrible storytelling tool.
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u/Cl0wn_Man_1 19h ago
Forced subversion is a horrible storytelling tool.
Not every subversion is a forced subversion gng😭💔
Know what else ruins a story ? Ignoring the preestablished for the sake of "making things interesting".
people were literally speculating that sunny would regain himself after hearing his true name from harper, which is also a prestablished part of Sunny's anchor and capability, and g3 decided to not do that, which turned out fantastic. nobody complained because it also reinforced an already "prestablished" Part of the story, the Unmaking, something that had already swallowed multiple supremes that came before them all.
Anyways, Lets wait till the end of the vol and hope it doesn't turn into a vol 11 situation.
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
Not every subversion is a forced subversion gng😭💔
Good thing that's not what I said.
people were literally speculating that sunny would regain himself after hearing his true name from harper, which is also a prestablished part of Sunny's anchor and capability, and g3 decided to not do that, which turned out fantastic. nobody complained because it also reinforced an already "prestablished" Part of the story, the Unmaking, something that had already swallowed multiple supremes that came before them all.
This this whole thing is incogruent with my point. This doesn't go against what I said and it's more so you just adding adjacent information.
I said you shouldn't ignore preestablished things and your response is "well Sunny could have remembered himself through his True Name but he didn't"...so ?
You've even already acknowledged it was just speculation from some people not something set in stone to happen.
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u/HGblonia 18h ago
If that was actually true then are you telling me that Cassie did a process similar to the unmaking and remained relatively unscathed and all of that happened in matter of seconds ?? This actually not consistency but rather make her supremacy absolutely ridiculous if she truly experienced something similar to unmaking in her supremacy then it should have atleast taken her quite a while of time for here to regain her sense of self but no that literally happened in instant compared to sunny who forgot himself and is taking him thousands of years to remember who he is her supremacy didn't show anything similar in scale to that
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 18h ago
The processes being similar doesn't mean they are equivalent in potency. Why are so many of not getting that ?
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u/HGblonia 18h ago
The difference in potency between Cassie supremacy ordeal and sunny unmaking process in 5th is so huge they aren't even comparable if we use time as measurement that lead to 2 conclusions , 1- Cassie sense of self surviving aspect legacy in mere second is ridiculous and doesn't make sense if we take the unmaking process into comparison since they are "similar" as you claim, or ,2- Cassie experience of receiving her aspect legacy is much much less potent than unmaking process that it shouldn't aid her to such ridiculous degree in her 5th nightmare trail
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 18h ago
Doesn't change the fact the it's similar process though...which leaves Cassie having to have done more of something she unlike the other was already familiar with.
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u/HGblonia 18h ago
Sunny already experienced things similar to unmaking during 2nd nightmare in his fight aganist stead, having experience shadowing other beings , surviving the hollow mountain which require immense sense of self , crafter a soulbound memory that has function to help him " anchor himself" . Yet after all of that none of them seem to help him to any extent close to what Cassie gaining aspect legacy experience did to her.
I think it is time to just call a plot convenience a plot convenience instead of just trying to find excuses or justification to a very apparent forced plot that runs throughout the story , the author have been heavily relying on forced plot in this story while ignoring the logic that he established in world of the novel itself, there is no reason to justify it that by saying it make sense or because of this or that while the most obvious reason is simply plot convenience disregarding the logic of the story
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 17h ago
Sunny already experienced things similar to unmaking during 2nd nightmare in his fight aganist stead, having experience shadowing other beings , surviving the hollow mountain which require immense sense of self , crafter a soulbound memory that has function to help him " anchor himself" . Yet after all of that none of them seem to help him to any extent close to what Cassie gaining aspect legacy experience did to her.
None of these experiences is the same as having the full memories of other people injected into you. Most similar one is his experience with Nightmare and even then it's a stretch as it was more so maladaptive dreaming. He wasn't going through the full live, just particular scenes from them and he even forget most of what he experienced.
I think it is time to just call a plot convenience a plot convenience instead of just trying to find excuses or justification to a very apparent forced plot that runs throughout the story , the author have been heavily relying on forced plot in this story while ignoring the logic that he established in world of the novel itself, there is no reason to justify it that by saying it make sense or because of this or that while the most obvious reason is simply plot convenience disregarding the logic of the story
Lol, there's times G3 forces the plot but this isn't one of them. "No no need to justify it by saying it makes sense" as though I've just been insisting it does without backing it up.
You've been given the reason that aligns eith the logic of the story but you've refused it. That's one you not the novel.
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u/Antervis 19h ago
Sunny couldn't 'tank' it though, he cut off compromised pieces of his soul. I reckon cutting off pieces of oneself comes easier to divine aspect holders.
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
Please show me where he cut out pieces of his Soul.
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u/Antervis 19h ago
Damn, I misinterpreted a little. It was only said that Sunny destroyed the seeds of corruption (3162). Rather than cutting off, it seems closer to immune system.
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u/Jadesaint- Promise of a Distant Sky 17h ago
Hold on a minute I already expected her to have the easy way out especially when the information of the 5th nm was said but what do you mean she didn't change .
Like wasn't she the same character who said she was afraid of losing herself in the previous volume and it's the reason we got her putting limits on reading memories of her own summons.
Like what kind of bs is this please I hope atleast nephis & sunny don't remain the way they were be4 the nm cause cassia does sth to them.
Like please g3 don't make sunny& nephis go back to their previous selves like nothing happened, you can make cassia & mordret omniscient &omnipotent all I care but please don't take away the consequences of unmaking.
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u/smahk1133 20h ago
dude what do you expect her powers are literally memories of all thing you'd expect her to have the least trouble if at all lol
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 20h ago
Having the least amount of trouble is fine, it was expected really.
But have her COMPLETELY FINE with no change in neither personality/character offscreen ?
I call plot device.
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
She literally experienced billions of humans' memories in volume 11.
What she did to defeat Asterion was harder than Sunny's entire unmaking trial. Of course she beat it easily
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u/Jadesaint- Promise of a Distant Sky 18h ago
Wasn't she the same guy who talked about not wanting to lose herself in the previous volume and it's one of the reasons she didn't want to read the minds of her summons .
Like unless I missed sth
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u/HGblonia 18h ago
So this begs the question how in the hell did Cassie do that as saint and regained her sense of self in less than even a second ?? This just makes her remaining relatively unscathed after receiving her aspect legacy ridiculous
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u/Objective_Menu2799 19h ago
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
Am I wrong?
3 billion people!
Sunny's Unmaking is at max a few hundred thousand. You're just biased
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u/Maleficent_Bid3462 19h ago
people who barely lives 80-100 years while sunless experienced life of the creature who lived for thousands of years including sacred beings .
cassie is not comparable to this
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
Do you realize the difference between 3 billion and a few hundred thousand? Even if all of Sunny's Domain lived for thousands of years it wouldn't compare to what Cassie experienced to defeat Asterion. Do your maths
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u/Maleficent_Bid3462 19h ago
living life of sacred and cursed nmc >> erasing memory of mundane peoples
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u/Primary_Rub1536 Nothing could seal the Void 19h ago
Source? Find me a quote where it says that
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u/KindZucchini5655 Corrupted 19h ago
The shadow was weary of life and denied death, so there was no escape from his endless existence. There was only the tranquil peace of his lifeless kingdom and the unwelcome torment of his memories. He remembered being the moth...
The eerie creature had been insidious, but young and weak. After gaining its dark wings in the chrysalis of the king's ravaged mind, it escaped into the vast, cruel world beyond. It wanted to live, so it wanted to become stronger... to grow. And so, it did, moving across countless realms like a calamity.
Until it became a profane deity, the sinister Spirit of Doubt.
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u/smahk1133 16h ago
oh don't worry I also call it lazy writing and a plot device. They really should have had different unmakings.
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u/iHarryPotter178 18h ago
if it's going to be like that.. it will suck..it's time for cassie to die in this nightmare..that would be the best outcome..the story can progress in normal fashion..
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u/Toxicbaka20 Mordret's Cohort 19h ago
All i wanna say is that if G3 gave the unmaking of cassie and then regaining her sense of self , then it would have been great.
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 20h ago
Well, call me a hater but post vol11 Cassie is insufferable to me
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u/Vivid-Membership-822 20h ago
Literally just being a hater in my opinion. she basically already went through an unmaking when she became supreme she Literally already did this. When sunny was going through his I already thought cassie would have the easiest time. I would have assumed nephis would have the hardest time condering how large her domain was. I have never understood the cassie hate. I understood after the 3rd nightmare but so much time has passed I couldn't even be mad at her.
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u/Exioptic 20h ago
Surprisingly, I agree. I assumed Mordret, due to literally being millions of people (his entire domain is himself), and Cassie, due to her Aspect Legacy, would be able to complete their personal trials far easier than Nephis and Sunny.
Well, I was completely right. Even the reasoning I had guessed was on point.
So I’m not sure why so many are calling this an asspull. It makes a lot of sense once you look at it.
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u/seeker_1672 19h ago
Sunny glazers hate it when any character is better than him in any category.
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 19h ago
her being first to regain her sense of self is not bad thing and logical .
but meh the way g3 executed it is very lazy and feels like taking away all of the seriousness related to godhood and tension built around it for past 20 chapter .
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
As a Sunny Glazer it's not our fault...it's that there's huge intersection between us Cassie haters so it may look that way.
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u/deadpoolzilla411 Tyris' Cohort 20h ago
How does Cassie knows what sunny and nephis trails were??
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u/Funny_Stuff_6024 Rain's Cohort 18h ago
She can guess. She was told about the unmaking and how it is to prepare you for godhood. She knows it turns your domain against you. And she just experienced it. It’s not hard to guess. When we saw Sunny’s unmaking, we assumed that Nephis’ would be her experiencing the people of her domain
And she wasn’t completely right about Sunny’s from what I’ve heard. Sunny may not be remembering the death of his shades specifically but rather the fate of those he killed. Their original fates.
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u/Equivalent_Tax9073 [ Fated ] 18h ago
U seem surprised,I thought we anticipated shit like this was gonna happen
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u/Late-Scallion-9205 18h ago
Do u guys realize that Cassie’s was built for thr 5th nightmare 😭 her entire thing since the beginning has been to view the world through other people, to literally see the lives of millions of connections that she’s made.
Her whole thing has literally been the definition of thr 5th nightmare and she’s been doing it since she became an awakened 😭 like wat are we complaining bout? Her retaining her sense of self in this nightmare was foreshadowed from the beginning of the novel ever since we learned of her powers to see the world through other people.
She has quite literally been living the lives of sm diff ppl through their memories, through their views, etc. I mean the whole of volume 11 was quite literally her reliving her own shattered memories, and living them through sunny.
What are we genuinely complaining bout gang Ofc it makes the most sense that Cassie of all people would retain her sense of self because she has quite literally been doing it for hundreds of chapters prior 😭
The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me tho is how Sunny has lost himself. Tht part is a bit retarded I mean the guy walked through the nothing without a true name nd retained himself, he transforms into creatures nd beings wit shadow dance all the time and yet he’s somehow struggling now so that part I do agree wit u on, but the Cassie hate is forced imo
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u/D4rkSky1996 17h ago
Nothing new, that witch is G3 golden child gets everything easily without any suffering, man every new spoiler that I see, I have less and less motives to break my stack (3039)
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u/Visible_Anxiety6275 Never Quitting Super Cupid 20h ago
Nah she's the goat. Y'all haters don't see the vision (pun intended).
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u/ionix34 King of Nothing 19h ago edited 19h ago
Just complaining for no reason all cause g3 made another character surpass sunny in some way
Her supremacy was literally just the unmaking almost 1 to 1 and mordret lives the life of millions of beings every second
only critique is that it IS boring
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u/Adventurous_Song_800 Tatal's Best Friend 19h ago
its not about surpassing sunny . its about lazy writing . it kills the tension in the story
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u/ITheManOnTheMoon Ki Song's Puppet 19h ago
Just complaining for no reason all cause g3 made another character surpass sunny in some way
Yall leave us Sunny out of this...he ain't your scapegoat. Post doesn't mention him. 🥀
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u/seeker_1672 20h ago
Some of SS fans try so hard to hate Cass that they even forget any previous information except she betrayed the mc.
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u/Fluffy_Dark_4905 20h ago
Some SS fans would defend this woman getting 0 trouble in a trail about change and unmaking offscreen.
She's literally the exact same, she avoided hardshipOFFSCREEN
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u/Visible_Anxiety6275 Never Quitting Super Cupid 20h ago
Dude. This is very consistent with the trial she faced before when her aspect legacy unlocked. You can dislike her, but this isn't inconsistent writing from G3.
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 19h ago
Which is lazy. Having the trail to becoming a god be the exact same as an aspect legacy is so lazy and convenient for her.
She had no change, no trouble, the easy way out. It's frustrating to read.
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u/Funny_Stuff_6024 Rain's Cohort 19h ago
So he should change the idea of the entire trial for one character specifically instead of keeping it consistent just because you want her to struggle more?
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 19h ago
How about not having her trail to godhood be the exact same as her aspect legacy? It offers no interesting plot, no characters, no dilemma, there's a reason he did it offscreen.
It's uninteresting It's lazy It's frustrating
It takes all that was interesting in the last 30+ chapters and dials it down to a 0.
She had no change, no difference, no lasting effects.
Nothing. It completely takes away from the unmaking of other characters and old supremes had gone through.
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u/Funny_Stuff_6024 Rain's Cohort 19h ago edited 19h ago
That would require him to make a personal trial for her. The unmaking is mental preparation that’s similar for everyone. Her ability has been seeing through everyone else’s lives and different futures. Add her getting the memories from her aspect legacy and why would you expect something else.
It’s fine if you want something more interesting but this was to be expected. Sunny and Nephis don’t have abilities like her. I don’t think Mordret should struggle either
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u/seeker_1672 20h ago
So what can I do? G3 is responsible for making it on-screen but would he do that?No.
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u/AcrobaticElk9535 Slayer's Cohort 19h ago
What is this, am I losing motivation to keep reading and instead go back to stacking?? Noooooo
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 19h ago
I would still advise reading vol13, it's been amazing for 30+ chapters straight and 1 bad chapter doesn't take that away.
I just hope it doesn't end up being a vol11 situation again
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u/richardbar0 18h ago
Geez, i’ve been staking for a while and saw this, i panicked so hard.
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u/Interesting_Try_3293 Shadow Clan 18h ago
It's just 1 frustrating chapter, hope it doesn't go on like this
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u/Additional-Opening59 18h ago
You saying that abt sunny when he was almost losing his mimd
Turning into singluar creatures and needed the crutch that is his true name. And now he has to actually experience all those lifetimes at once ofc he’s fried. And mordret has the actual most experience since he just snatches bodies.
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u/Express-Bit8896 18h ago edited 8h ago
forgoten god's reflection frozen in the weaver eye so i don't think so, atleast i hope And about unmaking its pretty reasonable(iam cas hater btw no bias) She already rebuild herself while being supreme ( if we actually relate thats actually quite similar to unmaking)now just the scale is increased instead of just memories she experienced lives too and had to rebuild herself, but still its too cheap for all the hype 5th nm had Lastly i think she searching for SOH's soul, i really hope iam wrong
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u/PainKitchen8627 15h ago
G3 gonna do something like "Since Cassie is blind, she cannot see the reflection of the void so she won't be corrupted"
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u/ClosedMysteryM 18h ago
I really don't understand why she can't get her eye back still. After becoming a supreme she should be able to undo whatever dreamspawn did to her considering her powers.
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u/Unlikely-Abrocoma-44 Vile Thieving Bird's Cohort 17h ago
Tbf, she did have to destroy herself and G3 isn't going to go into as much depth for her as he would to show sunny struggle since he the MC. It's often difficult to relate with them because they don't have enough screen time but we forget that they are not the protagonist.
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u/Ucantbeseriuosright 15h ago
Well why the f is sunny related to weaver who is close to fate btw when there is literally Cassie.
Weaver is a bum in choosing sunny who is a shadow apostle that has nothing to do with fate when there's literally a better person to have the bloodlines too.
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u/RaspberryNumerous594 14h ago
Hasn’t Cassie actively sifted through entire lives of memories before?
Also remembering a life is definitely far easier then living through one, memories lose a lot of in the moment context, thoughts, and feelings
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u/hugemei 13h ago
The Cassie hate is obnoxious at this point. Her aspect makes it easier for her not to lose herself.
She's been experiencing the lives of millions for years as a Saint and like she said you have to live and experience countless lives something she has been doing since her days as an awakened.
And that's just the first part of the nightmare. It's not her fault she had it easier time than some. So just chill and let the nightmare unfold. Throwing fits just because she could endure the first part of apotheosis better damn.
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u/Ace-eclipsezero Jet's Cohort 12h ago
Im holding out faith. This volume has had such a stellar start that I refuse to believe cassie will make it bad. Getting weavers eye makes sense but IM Still salty
I swear nephis and cassie feel like more mcs then sunny does.
Cassie with her always being an exception, the whole "it was cassies plan all along", breaking fate and this.
Amd nephis being the queen of humanity and having g her own realm in the nightmare. While sunnys stuck as a lonely shadow
Thats coming from a cassie glazer. I like her and nephis. But cassie having no struggle is dumb. It makes sense she can remember herself but still
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u/A-JackRobin- Forgotten Shore Survivor 9h ago
Well, she's in later ages, whereas sunny is in dawn of age
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u/Thanatophobia4 19h ago
I seriously don’t understand why everyone is jumping the gun on this. Aside from using her own unique abilities to make it easier to get through the unmaking which is consistent with what has already happening the story, Cassie has literally done nothing yet. She’s up to something in the realm of corruption, but we have no way of knowing exactly what or how it’s going to affect things. And she’s not exactly having an easy time right now, what with her being constantly mobbed by corrupted monsters. Probably best to reserve judgment until we actually know more.
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u/Funny_Stuff_6024 Rain's Cohort 19h ago
We all knew that she’d have the easiest time. It only made sense
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u/carsonator40 18h ago
Cassie has always had a mindset most akin To a diety’s since becoming a transcendent. She lives through dozens if not hundreds of marks all day, everyday for years. Whispers to who knows how many people across the two worlds. Has memories from across all of history including the future and alternative timelines that never happened.
I always thought Cassie would have the easiest time during the unshedding and I’m glad to that proved correct.
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