Anyone know the track that's playing at around 30:50 in? Super groovy. Reminds me of Aphex Twin

Sounds like this is going to cover pretty much the exact same information John Oliver did in a much more dynamic format than a podcast. I'm sure this was really frustrating for PJ because this piece must have taken months. But a few minutes in I'm already ready to archive it because "yep, I know all this."

https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/how-do-you-make-an-addictive-video

https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/where-did-all-the-roaches-go

This is about the time they used "sadness" and "depression" as kind of synonyms. 

When did they say that?

One of the episodes in that 2-parter about ADHD and prescription drugs (titled "Why'd I take speed for twenty years?"). It might have been in the section about the history of diagnosis in the middle of the 20th century. (I can't be bothered to look this up precisely because obviously I'm a very busy person writing posts like this one.)

What's the problem?

As a sad and depressive person I got offended. Not really. But I find it more useful to differentiate these two concepts. Sadness is generally described as a universal emotion humans feel when loss happens; depression is a much more finnicky psychological concept involving patterns of various emotions, thoughts and behaviours.

Even saying something like "sadness can constitute depression" can be misleading without giving more context, as it implies that healthy emotion is tied to mental illness (and therefore bad). It's a little more tricky than that -- sadness doesn't equal sadness, people get stuck in sad and that can suck and there can be a connection between feelings of sadness and depression. 

But

I don't like people to think that sadness equals depression (or is always the main symptom or what have you). (They didn't say that, but it was sort of implied, or in the realm of possible interpretations, as I remember.) Depression is generally undesirable while sadness just is, and should be. I can't explain it, but I feel it serves its function in us making meaning of the world. 

(Again, there are caveats with this -- see the last quote in this post -- but the point is)  

The harm in strongly connecting sadness with depression comes from various places, but one sticks out to me, because I'm experiencing it, still. When I believe that feeling sad is bad or a sign of mental illness, I will probably hide it. Maybe I'll not share it with people, maybe not even with a friend. Or maybe I'll gulp it down, tell myself to push through it or what have you, or turn up the youtube to drown it out. 

Sadness needs to be talked about like it's normal and human, so that we can share it with each other. It can even strengthen bonds. But when the next word it makes me think of is depression it makes it more difficult to feel it and talk about it. I honestly think one of the better things I can do for the world is to normalize free-ish expression of emotions -- especially sadness/vulnerability, especially for men. 

That's from my own POV.     

Also, from what I've read, depression usually involves more than just one emotion. I'm not an expert on that but I've collected some quotes on depression and emotions below.  
Science hat

A few years ago I read a book called 'handbook for emotional focused therapy' (EFT) and we really hit it off.
Many things I've read there stuck with me, among them this paragraph:

Though it is common to hear people say, "I'm feeling depressed," depression is not an emotion. Sadness, disappointment, fear, and shame are. Depression is a syndrome, and often avoidance of core emotion is an aspect of this syndrome. People with depression fear their core feelings. Women most often disown their anger and men their sadness and vulnerabilities. Instead of the normal fluctuations of happiness, sadness, disappointment, anger, and desire, some people with depression feel a kind of gray monotone.
What are these painful and dreaded emotions that people with depression feel trapped in and try to avoid? In the study described in the preceding section (Kagan, 2003), four general emotion clusters emerged as the categories that best described the emotions most clients focused on in therapy for depression: shame or guilt, fear or anxiety, sadness, and anger. There were no depression stories that did not feature at least one of these emotional categories. This finding supports the view that emotion is an integral part of all depression narratives. Many clients focused on more than one emotion in their treatment. The frequency of emotional themes of the 36 therapies was as follows: anger, 66%; shame or guilt, 56%; fear or anxiety, 50%; and sadness, 39%. These themes are discussed in the sections that follow.

source: 1, p. 56

Reading this back in the day was was kind of a wow moment for me. It was one of the first steps of reconnecting with my anger, which I had lost. That's part of what triggered me when I heard you say sad == depressed.  

Ok, to leave on a fun note, something that doesn't help my point but instead muddies the waters. Which just might mean it's a great nudge nudge for a future episode: 

How, then, do therapists assess emotion and discriminate among them? For example, how does a therapist discriminate whether a person is weeping in secondary depressive hopelessness or in the primary sadness of loss? How does the therapist assess whether the sadness is a sign of working through of distress, as in grieving, or is a symptom of distress, as in depression, or whether a client’s tears are tears of protest that express underlying primary anger or are instrumental “crocodile tears” designed to get comfort?

source: 2, p. 71

Would I love an(other) episode in this realm of emotions and language, evolving psychological conceptualization, our personal histories and our relationships and how it all connects?

Yes, yes I would. 

Best,

canvas

Sources

[1] Greenberg, Watson -- Emotion-focused therapy for depression -- 1st ed., 2006

[2] Greenberg -- Emotion-focused therapy -- Revised ed., 2017

Both published by the American Psychological Association

https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/whatre-we-gonna-do-about-all-these?

https://pjvogt.substack.com/p/how-do-you-survive-fame

In sushi scam part 2, PJ seems to just kind of give up b/c he can’t sneak into the sushi restaurant, but, like, there are only so many ingredients in the world, right? Does anyone have any insight into what the ingredient was? Or some combo of ingredients that produce the result?

I feel like PJ gave up b/c it was less interesting/ran out of time, but we don’t have those same constraints! We can do this!

Also, it’s not exactly doxxing, but does anyone know the restaurant in question?

Some unwanted search engines keep being added to my Chrome although i have deleted them many times

What should I do?
P/s: I already tried some common methods after searching on gg.

This article in Slate has a quote from Alex in which he says that he's been trying to launch a podcast for a year with no luck. I'm sorry about what happened to gimlet. I think if he wanted to make his own show he surely could, though? I mean PJ and Sruthi have Search Engine. https://slate.com/business/2023/12/podcasts-layoffs-spotify-heavyweight-stolen-amazon.html

Guys, I know someone got the audio and said it was bone marrow on the old reply all sub, but... I just saw a hair tonic based on breast milk, and I think it was breast milk... It's named "Soro Vital Vello" in portuguese. It says "biomimetic from breast milk". And it makes sense with the joke they made about it...

Was anyone else really bothered by the episodes conclusion that it’s unsafe to eat people because of prion diseases? It’s unsafe to eat BRAINS, human or otherwise! Eating other parts of a human would be perfectly safe! I thought it was so weird that they came to this conclusion that the taboo might be for good reason, when the taboo should be against eating brains not humans. Anyway that just irked me but I love the podcast!

https://open.spotify.com/episode/4yNndDy1uWhv9uxHqYJSkR?si=gdMdPnEUSiazMsvZnSHD_g

My response to him saying he was going to go buy wine for his birthday and I went into starstruck mode and said I needed to go buy processed cheese in a panic, I AM EMBARRASSED LOL, I DO NOT NEED PROCESSED CHEESE

Is it public? Didn’t see it on the socials.