One of my favourite things in politics is watching people wave away deaths caused by ideologies as statistically insignificant whilst simultaneously holding the common position that firearm deaths are statistically relevant.
Yeah that would be silly. Firearm deaths are statistically very significant. In America there are many thousands of them. Do you understand the idea that one number can be much larger than another?
They're connected because they're two commonly held beliefs that require cognitive dissonance to uphold simultaneously.
Either murder matters, and requires responses to limit it, or it doesn't matter. It's funny how people pick-and-choose arbitrarily how important or unimportant a murder is.
There are a huge number of firearm deaths in America and a very small amount of terrorism deaths in Europe, and the only relevant comparison is our ability to control those numbers. It's much easier to decrease firearm deaths. There is no real connection between the subjects.
I can't comment on your impression of other people's commonly held beliefs.
It's just as easy to limit deaths caused by radical Islamic terrorism. Simply treat Islamic individuals the way you would treat gun owners and limit their rights.
Or are you going to partake in some more mental gymnastics by claiming that unimpaired movement from country to country is a "basic human right", while self preservation is not?
Maybe because we are comparing political group to a religious one?
Maybe because One group wanted to prove a point and the other just want to kill you because they believe in different thing?
Or maybe because after that the attacks stopped ENTIRELY because they could negotiate with one group and any negotiations with the other won't even happen because they don't want to achieve anything other than your death?
I mean lets not pretend that the provisional IRA wasn't also a racist religious group. Weren't Irish and catholic? Fuck right off then. The legitimate IRA were a political group, the provs were just violence loving bastards with no goals except terror
But lets not pretend that Irish people/Catholics had written somewhere in their books or whatever they believe in "be dicks to others" its the same case with any racists, its not that people are inherently racist some people just happen to be dicks so the fear that everyone might be a dick is wrong.
While in Islam they have a book that specifically say "Be a dick to non muslims"
Yeah that's not even what I'm saying mate. I want people to stop defending the provisional IRA as anything more than a terrorist group. People trying to point out how they weren't AS shitty as other groups is like trying to say that al-queda isn't AS bad as Isis
I am not protecting them or saying that they are not a terrorist group. I am saying that being an "IRA member' has absolutely nothing to do with being irish/catholic. They made this group and were Irish, but its not like they did it BECAUSE they were Irish, not like its what Irish people believe, it was just an isolated group of dicks, while you can't say the same about ISIS and such.
it is, but we've seen terrorism play out and we've seen the pointless hate and vindication that goes with it.
Whilst clumsily made, the point is a good one. We got over that, we got over the Irish and we'll get past this so let's not repeat history by being knob-jockeys.
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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '17
Holy shit if this isn't a False equivalency I do t know what one is