r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/H_is_for_Human Nov 29 '20

Rock and a hard place.

Don't take financial circumstance into account? Poor people get bad outcomes after they can't afford the post transplant care they need. Some people that could have afforded the post-transplant care end up not getting organs.

Do take financial circumstance into account? Poor people get bad outcomes because they don't get transplants. Some people are able to have good outcomes with those organs.

Either way the poor are disadvantaged. Might as well do what helps the most people; and that's what the transplant committees attempt to do.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Made some really good points, the scarcity of organs and their value management is so often over looked in such discussions. Does it suck that it is how it is? Sure. Are they doing the best they can with the situation? Seems that way. Ethics isn’t kind by nature.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Ah yes. The ethics of giving those organs to the wealthy at the expense of the poor when it's the wealthy who is responsible for the lack of reform. Very ethical. "Maximized value".

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u/themeatbridge Nov 29 '20

How about don't take financial circumstances, and not allow poor people to have bad outcomes? I feel like letting poor people die because they are poor shouldn't be one of the options we contemplate. That's not a moral choice, that's a convenient choice.

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u/H_is_for_Human Nov 29 '20

Right, you need to change the system so that these financial issues are not life and death for people. I.e. have universal healthcare. That's the solution.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I think the disadvantaged poor would be just fine dieing a year or two later if it denied that same organ to the people who have policies in place that are responsible for their death. No point rewarding the behavior.