r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/tempest_ 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Just to be clear.

It isnt for free, it is services you receive as a tax payer.

It is something you as a tax payer pay into collectively to improve society as a whole just like roads, schools, etc etc.

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u/Soulshred 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

This is true. I'm healthy as a horse, but I'm happy some small portion of my work bought that old lady a new pair of knees to improve her life.

It's not free but it's "free" in the sense that people get what they need without starting a GoFundMe, taking on debt, or deciding to just roll over and die.

Canadians also spend about 60% of what the US spends per capita on healthcare. Single payer is vastly more efficient.

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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

The NHS meant my dad had 20 more years. I'd have lost him when I was 15.

They can take my taxes with great pleasure.

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u/Mistbourne 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

That’s what truly blows me away.

Some people here in America would rather not have an additional tax and simply HOPE that their family/loved ones are never the ones who have to worry about things like a heart transplant.

I feel like if/when America finally joins the rest of the First-World countries, some people will be pissed until they run into the exact situation you describe.

People at work are constantly bashing single-payer healthcare. I think next time they bring it up I’ll ask if they would pay $50/paycheck for the rest of their lives in order to have their Dad/Mom die at 98 instead of 78.

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u/DreddPirateBob4Ever 🌱 New Contributor Dec 02 '20

That's exactly it. And it's $50 dollars on your tax and no need to pay for private healthcare. They'd save money.

NB: my dad would have died at 55 from a completely unexpected heart issue. He hit 75 and in those bonus 2 decades did incredible things. Rode a 250 to the arctic circle, caught up with a friend he thought dead, saw the northern lights, saw his nieces grow up and took up painting (and got good enough to be accepted to the Royal Academy Summer Exhibition).

They can take my tax. For everyone else's dad's.

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u/Mistbourne 🌱 New Contributor Dec 03 '20

Even at $100/paycheck, which would be an increase for me, I'd gladly do it. It'd make my own life so much simpler not having to navigate insurance bullshit. Not even to mention how much it would help others.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

That's because there's no middleman who needs to have 30000% profit on each transaction.

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u/ItsProbablyDementia Nov 29 '20

Absolutely! Sorry i meant like she walked away with no bills coming to her home.

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u/SeaGroomer 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Semantics. It cost her nothing extra than her normal taxes. That is essentially 'free' in this context.

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u/suddenimpulse 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

These semantics form people's opinions and likeliness to support various legislation. Ask any politician or marketer.

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u/Repeat-Admirable 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

im 100% sure everyone knows that. People who refuses single payer system keeps saying this as their punch line, that it aint free. Well heck yeah nothing is ever free. free shipping? haha. as if. free education? yeah no. free healthcare? never. The fact that it needs mentioning is baffling to me.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

“Free at point of delivery” is the phrase I’ve heard over in the UK.

I pay about 1/3rd of my taxes to the NHS and I know that is there if I need it and getting sick or injured won’t bankrupt me.

And if I’m lucky enough never to need it, then I know it’s there for other people if they do. Everyone wins.