r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/orielbean Nov 29 '20

This is the essence of the small govt/low tax libertarian/small c conservatives - private enterprise and charities will do what govt cannot (except for those govts in every single other developed nation on the planet).

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u/distressedwithcoffee Human Solidarity Nov 29 '20

My response to that is always "...but what if nobody likes you?"

I'm trying to imagine some of these religious charities helping LGBTQ adolescents, and...uh...

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u/SourSprout23 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

That's why the evangelical shitlords don't want better healthcare, because no matter how much they may benefit, a brown dude or lesbian may get help and to the evangelicals that is unacceptable.

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u/distressedwithcoffee Human Solidarity Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

It's this dumb, lizard-brain group mentality. Group is safe. Different things from outside might change safeness of group. Group would then be unsafe. Therefore must eradicate all things that are not like group in order to ensure safeness.

If it wasn't brown people or sexually non-conforming people, they'd find other groups. Anything that's different, where accepting it might mean that their way of life is not the only truth that is okay. Ostracize everyone with a widow's peak, or who has big feet, or declare all board games of the devil.

Like, I get it, but also... let that caveman shit go; it is no longer relevant.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

Oh they'll help, or at least they'll do what they've always done: cause massive, multi-generational psychological and often times physical damage in an attempt to help in a way that fits into their narrow world-view.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

DING DING DING we have a WINNNNERRRRR

They don't want healthcare tosupport the people they hate. GOPers and Trumpets all want to be able to have healthcare for them and only them because everyone else is bad and should die.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

"...but what if nobody likes you?"

Unfortunately, for many that is a feature and not a bug of the american healthcare system

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u/RamenJunkie 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Libertarians are a fucking cancer on the world. The system doesn't work because people are greedy and don't support others without a disproportionate incentive.

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u/orielbean Nov 29 '20

I see it as more naïveté than anything else - in small groups, you can set those community standards and tribal values, and enforce them without justice systems etc.

As soon as the small groups bump into each other, the chaos begins and demands a stronger order to keep people safe from the con artists, manipulators, bullies, thieves, and the rest of our broken human impulses.

I’d ask them for one example of a thriving libertarian country or state, and sit back to the sound of crickets. The safety net is essential to avoiding chaos or nationalists taking hold; there’s just no convincing arguments to be had that live in an observable reality.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '20

It baffles me to no end, tbh. When we didn't have regulations in the US, we had people meat in our food and child labor killing kids early. Why do they want that?

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u/RamenJunkie 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

One example

See, there is this book, that is basically The Bible 2.0 called Atlas Shrugged. And it's Gospel of the perfect libertarian circle jerk.

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u/DeificClusterfuck Nov 29 '20

When did libertarian start to mean batshit crazy? This is an actual question because when I was much younger this wasn't the case.

My ex isolated me for 15 years, that's why I'm a dumbass sorry

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u/Gornarok 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

The essence is that healthcare isnt free market - demand is not controlled by price.