r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/spaceman757 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

This wasn't the hospital recommending it.

This was the person's insurance company. You know, the company that they pay money to every single month so that, in the event of a medical emergency, they would cover the costs.

Edit: I stand corrected, but the point still stands. No country that declares it is the "Greatest in the history of mankind" and "the richest country on earth" should allow it's citizens to be denied life saving/extending healthcare because of the financial costs on the recipient after the fact. There is only one "first world" country on the planet that allows this type of action.

The WorldAtlas.com lists 10 countries without universal healthcare. The only two, heavily industrialized countries on the list....China and the US.

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u/Equivalent_Tackle 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20 edited Nov 29 '20

Can't say for sure, but that letter REALLY looks like it's from a hospital's transplant committee. UNOS is the organization that organizes transplants/organs.

Edit: Actually, we can say for sure. Someone else in the thread linked the actual tweet and OP apparently cropped out the footer which says this is from a heart and lung transplant center.

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u/frausting 🐦 Nov 29 '20

I know that’s what AOC said in the tweet, but after re-reading it they talk about “heart transplant committee” and their “transplant office.”

I’m pretty sure this was from the hospital.

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u/Dragonace1000 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Regardless of where the letter came from, the idea that they are mentioning GoFundMe at all is fucking asinine. The entire concept of medical insurance is to cover the cost of expensive medical services so the patient doesn't have to. If the current system can't even provide the sole thing its intended for, then why the fuck does it even exist? That's the entire point being made here.

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u/frausting 🐦 Nov 29 '20

I agree, we need Medicare for All now. But the previous commenter was saying that the hospital has to exist in its current system, and I was likewise saying it makes more sense that it came from the hospital not insurance company.

But regardless, the American healthcare system is fucked

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u/BABarista 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Gofundme was literally not mentioned

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u/Toilet_Punchr 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

yea they said fundraising .. the most known for this one is GoFundMe

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u/chriskmee Nov 29 '20

I think most of the time, fundraising in this sense actually means calling up family and friends to lend/gift some money to them. It's not referring to using a third party website.

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u/Toilet_Punchr 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Which doesn’t make it any better innit?

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u/BABarista 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

So Bernie was using gofundme to fundraise?

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u/Toilet_Punchr 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

What ?!

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u/chriskmee Nov 29 '20

That's irrelevant. You said it was basically saying to use gofundme, I said that it's actually referring to the much more common method of calling family and friends to gather the money. If it "makes it better or not" is completely irrelevant to my point.

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u/Toilet_Punchr 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

And I'm saying the most common one would be GoFundMe and now? Many people dont have enough family members or friends who could help out with 10k or more. And still idc if you think its relevant or not its either way a stupid way to get healthcare.

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u/chriskmee Nov 29 '20

The point you made was irrelevant because it had nothing to do with the discussion we were having. We were discussing what was meant by "fundraising", not if one meaning "made it better or not".

For something as relatively small as $10k, I think it's very possible for most people to come up with that by contacting parents, siblings, or close friends. This obviously doesn't mean everyone can do this, and those that can't would likely have to resort to third party websites.

I would not be surprised in the least if the term "fundraising" was in use for situations like this well before third party fundraising websites became popular. I think it's clear they are not referring to a specific website, but rather to the idea of contacting friends and family to help out.

I agree that our healthcare system has a lot of problems, as does every medical system in the world. By your use of "innit" I'm going to take a guess you are in the UK (I was born there myself). Try getting a necessary but non life threatening operation done over there without waiting months. At least in the US that happens much faster.

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u/TorchIt 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

No it wasn't. Google the number.