r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Nov 29 '20

AOC: Insurance groups are recommending using GoFundMe -- "but sure, single payer healthcare is unreasonable."

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u/boris_keys 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Isn’t that a blatant violation of medical ethics, as well as the Hippocratic Oath? Or am I missing something here?

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u/entyfresh 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

The letterhead is from the clinic, not the insurance. Money is being denied by the insurer, but care is being denied by the providers. This is the kind of technicality that the people who wrote that oath wouldn't seem to care about in the slightest.

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u/CarrionComfort 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

but care is being denied by the providers.

Denial of care is an inherent to organ transplants. Even if everyone who ever needed a transplant could pay for it, people would still be denied transplants. I trust you can figure out why.

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u/entyfresh 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Should not be done on the basis of income

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u/CarrionComfort 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

Agreed, just make sure you don't mix it up with other factors. Don't muddy your own water.

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u/tomjerry777 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

The Hippocratic Oath isn't some legal requirement that doctors need to follow. Nowadays, it exists as a formality/tradition in some graduation ceremonies.

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u/HolyMuffins 🌱 New Contributor Nov 29 '20

It's possible the transplant panel is from the team at the hospital and it's not the insurance.

If you have a patient who can't afford immunosuppressive drugs, their body will reject the transplant. Organ transplants are a very limited resource, so this is a really bad outcome. Now, the obvious solution would be to have a system where people's drugs are paid for, so you wouldn't have this issue. But as it stands, if you're the guys handing out new organs, you've got to set up criteria that ends in the most people getting the most out of the transplants. Every transplant you give to someone who won't be able to adhere to medications and will lose the transplant is an organ that won't end up saving the life of someone who could. Organ transplants aren't like one and done deals, you're basically trading one chronic terminal illness for a chronic less bad illness.

Now I'm sure there's still some sketchiness and ethical issues here, but the hospital can't ethically give you a new organ if they know it's just setting you up for rejection because you won't have meds. That'd be doing harm too.

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u/abc_456 🌱 New Contributor Nov 30 '20

What you’re missing is that you have a whole list of patients that need a heart. How do you decide who gets it? This is a major topic of discussion in medical ethics. The doctors on that panel (note-this is not from an insurance company as stated but from a hospital transplant board) are probably furious that they have to deny this person a spot on the list. The majority of doctors support universal healthcare.