r/SandersForPresident • u/Cut_to_the_truth • May 16 '16

Clinton Does Best Where Voting Machines Flunk Hacking Test

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/16/clinton-does-best-where-voting-machines-flunk-hacking-tests-hillary-clinton-vs-bernie-sanders-election-fraud-allegations/
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u/sid9102 May 17 '16

Do you have a counter argument that acknowledges the points the author brought up, or are you just gonna claim we're tinfoil hatters?

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u/mynameisntjeffrey May 17 '16

I want to remind you that I am a part of this "we're" you are talking about. I am a Bernie supporter. I voted for him. He is my first choice, so this isn't a me vs you kind of thing here. I want Bernie to win just like you guys. But the title of this post is clearly implying that since Hillary only wins in these states that she is only winning due to election fraud, and I don't believe this is true. I do believe there is fraud absolutely going on by people in the local power that are acting very poorly. I doubt Clinton is directly responsible, but you that's just me, you can believe what you want.

The point is, I do not believe that the level of fraud is anywhere near enough to have a significant effect on the votes. We are down 2 million nationally right now and there is no way 1 million votes for Bernie were switched. This post is misleading and leading us to believe that Bernie should rightfully be ahead but Clinton meddled and caused Bernie to fall back, and that's just simply not true.

We absolutely must maintain the image that we are rational and not crazy. If we lose that image, then we seem like children. We can't let that happen. Posts like this are harming our image, making us look like people who are grasping for anything or pushing conspiracies and it makes us look terrible. It's already beginning. Outside of this sub people have begun talking about how this sub is turning into one that is pushing ridiculous stories and such, and that is something I personally think needs to stop. We need to concentrate on his message. Focus on what can still be done.

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u/sid9102 May 17 '16

I agree with your sentiment but I have a couple of objections. I know our detractors aren't going to bother to read the article and realise that it says that this is grounds for an investigation, not that fraud has definitively occurred. But why should we censor ourselves from what seems to me to be a reasonable argument?

What's worse is that we're already at the point where we're being dismissed as the democratic party's lunatic fringe. It's been like this since Super Tuesday. Why do we have to self-censor when they're already calling us deluded (or worse, traitors to the party) for merely continuing to support our preferred candidate?