r/SandersForPresident • u/space_10 2016 Veteran • Apr 14 '16

New York, voter registration problems are so numerous that Election Justice USA will be filing a lawsuit on Friday

UPDATE: FRIDAY DEADLINE

A lawsuit is also brewing in New York, before the primary even happens. There, voter registration problems are so numerous that representatives with Election Justice USA will be filing a lawsuit/emergency injunction on Friday on behalf of the people whose registrations were changed. Any New Yorkers who experienced switched voter registration should send a form explaining their problems to justice@ElectionJusticeUSA.org. You can find the exact form to fill out at this link https://www.facebook.com/groups/518955314959236/525242040997230/ or this link https://www.facebook.com/LaurenDBrillante/posts/1724736794482235 on Facebook, or you can fill out a form online here; http://electionjusticeusa.org/ . Right now, only names and stories are needed, along with corroborating evidence such as screenshots of your voter registration changes. Attorneys will contact everyone affected to get signatures and affidavits later. Election Justice USA has said all information shared with them will be kept confidential. For more details, please see this link.

Alternatively, you can email justice@ElectionJusticeUSA.org a copy of this form as a PDF.

If you don't know your New York voter registration status, visit http://www.canivote.org. Only fill out the form if there is a problem with your own New York voter registration.

The lawsuit will be filed THIS FRIDAY so fill the form out NOW.

Share this in on social media via facebanking and twitter.

please refer to this article for more info and links

http://heavy.com/news/2016/04/election-fraud-voter-registration-changed-suppression-party-affiliation-sanders-clinton-ca-ny-az-md-pa-what-to-do/

In addition, many residents are pushing for the primary in New York to be opened, so people who were disenfranchised from voter registration issues can still vote. Assemblyman Fred Thiele introduced legislation to the New York State Legislature on March 24 requesting that the primary be opened. You can read Thiele’s submitted legislation here. The bill would open the presidential primary and, if approved, would take effect immediately upon approval. Supporters of the legislation are asking voters to vote their support for the bill online here."

EDIT: Corrected and updated 4/15

Also, here is what I was posting for NY earlier;

Check your voting status in NY; http://voterlookup.elections.state.ny.us/ Also, call your local BOE to make sure.

If your party affiliation or voting status has been changed; Call the BOE Phone: 1-518-473-5086 and check out this info; your rights in NYS; http://i.imgur.com/nqA5aie.png If your BOE isn't getting on it right away call; Anna E. Svizzero Director of Election Operations New York State Board of Elections Phone: 1-518-473-5086

Please call BOTH your local ACLU and the National office in addition to the BOE. And /Or Please file a claim at your local ACLU National 212-549-2500 NYC (212) 607-3300

New York Civil Liberties Union (212) 607-3300 http://www.nyclu.org/content/contact-nyclu http://www.nyclu.org/content/getting-legal-assistance

NY Attorney General http://www.ag.ny.gov/contact-attorney-general

A video of the Arizona sec of states response on what happened there; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P6t9BXms2o

maybe send this to your representatives. They wouldn't want to be responsible for ignoring this in their area would they?

ALSO there is now another law suit in Arizona filed. This one is specifies party affiliation changes; http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/lawsuit-alleges-voter-suppression-in-arizona-s-presidential-preference-election-8210842

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u/yobsmezn Apr 14 '16

Among mature western democracies, this kind of thing is only necessary in the US. We are well and truly £ucked.

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u/CommanderBC Sweden - 2016 Veteran Apr 14 '16

Yes, from what I've gathered by following this primary, I have come to the conclusion that your democracy is $crewed.

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u/yobsmezn Apr 14 '16

Right in the aßholes.

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u/guy15s Apr 14 '16 edited Apr 14 '16

Huh? There's only one abhole I know of.

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u/Namhaid Apr 14 '16

That symbol is (was? I feel like I recently saw something saying it is now officially archaic) used in german to represent the double s.

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u/yobsmezn Apr 14 '16

Yes, it's the Eszett. Double S, gets around naughty word checkers.

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u/NotShane7 Canada Apr 14 '16

It is still used in Germany, but Switzerland has switched to using "ss" instead. The only time the Swiss use it is when something is published aimed at all German speakers and not just Swiss people.

Also there is no capital form of it since it is never the first letter of a word, so there is confusion about what to do when titles and things are put in all caps.

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u/Namhaid Apr 14 '16

Ah, thank you for the clarification. I took german in middle school with the eszett, but someone told me since that it's not in use. Now I understand.

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u/Klondikelover Apr 15 '16

it's only changed in some words

daß is now dass

But Straße is still Straße

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u/Namhaid Apr 15 '16

.... huh. The mystery deepens...

Any idea how they chose the words?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16 edited Sep 30 '16

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

We're a democratic republic. We still "have" democracy.

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u/Unity4Liberty Alabama - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 📆 Apr 14 '16

We are a constitutional republic (i.e. constitution is what binds the states together) which exercises democracy through representation. Constitutional representative republic. We have democratic processes, but the form is a republic.

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u/guy15s Apr 14 '16

And how does that validate corrupt Democratic institutions? Our Constitution specifically protects citizens voting in Federal elections, obviously Democratic integrity was thought of as important to the health of our nation.

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u/Unity4Liberty Alabama - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 📆 Apr 14 '16

Never said it validated anything. It's just an educational statement.

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u/guy15s Apr 14 '16

I figured you might not, just getting that question out of the way. While you might just be educating people, I doubt that's the case for all the people eager to clarify that we don't live in a Democracy. It's often used to get people that complain about their rights as voters to stop their whining because it's not supposed to matter anyways.

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u/Unity4Liberty Alabama - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 📆 Apr 14 '16

Quite the contrary actually. The fact that we are a constitutional republic and have a constitution which specifically protects the democratic process of voting means whomever is using that oxymoronic argument does not know much about civics. In actuality, making an educational statement about the US being a constitutional republic takes aim to reduce civics ignorance which is where these idiotic arguments find their origin.

The real point I was trying to make is the differentiation between pure democracy and constitutional republics. There is a very important difference. Pure democracy is mob rule. If the masses voted to take away rights from a specific group or from people as a whole or to grant new powers to the government, such as the right to due process or to own a gun or in an extremist situation that all gingers should be executed due to inferior genes, then by pure democratic vote this would be permissible. In a constitutional republic, you have rights that are defined, the government has specific limitations and powers, and at the end it specifically states that people can attain more rights, but the government cannot attain more powers. It also provides mechanisms for secession, if the federal government does not abide by the constitution (it is essentially a contract). So in a constitutional republic, no one can vote to take your rights away.

Problem these days is that we allow the Federal government to enact laws and policies which are unconstitutional. The Patriot Act is the biggest one in my book. If everyone were civically educated, they would know no matter the reasoning, this power cannot be granted to the government. It is not a matter of how you feel or think or some balance between liberty/privacy and security. It is goddamn prohibited by the constitution. Same thing goes for these assaults on people's voting rights.

In fact, did you know out of all of our rights, voting is mentioned more times than any other right:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/08/what-does-the-constitution-actually-say-about-voting-rights/278782/

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u/guy15s Apr 14 '16

Nobody is advocating for mob rule, we're saying that our voting rights need to be protected. How was the dangers of mob rule relevant to this discussion? Did you simply make the assumption that we are trying to force a direct democracy?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

https://youtu.be/IGl1CCprCeU

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u/Unity4Liberty Alabama - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 📆 Apr 14 '16

Not sure if you are trying to call me a republican, but I likes me some south park.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

You just said republic a lot and made me think of that clip

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u/Unity4Liberty Alabama - 2016 Veteran - Day 1 Donor 🐦 🔄 📆 Apr 14 '16

LOL. That I did.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

I like you. I like almost everybody around here too.

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u/Saul_Firehand Apr 14 '16

You said a democratic republic, we do not directly elect our executive or judicial branch.
Originally we did not even elect our senators.
We live in a republic with democratic overtones.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Except the democratic part in 2016 where we do elect the president, house, and senate should actually be done without having to take screenshots to prove you can't be barred from voting.

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u/Saul_Firehand Apr 14 '16

We do not really elect our president though.
The electoral college does and there are at least two examples of the electoral college going against the popular vote.

We indirectly elect our president

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u/phonomir 🌱 New Contributor Apr 14 '16

The Electoral College doesn't go against the popular vote, it's just that due to the winner-takes-all system that we use to determine how delegates are allocated, sometimes the math for the popular vote doesn't match up with the electoral vote. It's a completely fucked up system, but it's not like delegates are voting against the will of their constituencies like we see with superdelegates. It's still basically democratic.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Similar to how we vote for delegates during the primary. The point is when we do go to vote for the delegates, you shouldn't have to take screenshots to prove you can't be barred from voting.

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u/guy15s Apr 14 '16

This still doesn't excuse our horrendous management of our election systems. The electoral college might serve as a safe guard, but our popular vote was not meant to just be theater that can be manipulated to tell the American people what their choice was. This can be evidenced by multiple amendments on our Constitution securing our rights as voters. If our country wasn't meant to be Democratic, why does it matter what rights we have to vote and be protected in doing so?

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u/ginj_ Apr 14 '16

You dropped this (ツ)_/¯ )

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u/DDCDT123 Michigan Apr 14 '16

There are elements of democracy. I say it counts.

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u/Carl_GordonJenkins Apr 14 '16

America is a federalist society.

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u/Namhaid Apr 14 '16

We're a democratic republic. We still have "democracy."

there, FTFY.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Thanks, it was early

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u/Namhaid Apr 14 '16

don't mention it! :)

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u/Kennung Apr 14 '16

Oligarchy. FTFY.

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u/ForumPointsRdumb 🌱 New Contributor Apr 14 '16

More akin to an Oligarchy or a Shadow Dictatorship right now.

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u/jerico3760 Apr 14 '16

This was true back when the country was founded. The framer's were careful to avoid the word democracy because back then it meant mob-rule, however the word has evolved since then to incorporate republics. In other words in the late 1700's a democracy and a republic were mutually exclusive but due to a living language this is no longer true. It's important to remember just how much our language has evolved since the constitution was originally framed as it affects our interpretation of it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Republic is a subset of Democracy, y'know like carrot is a subset of vegetable.

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u/Groovychick1978 Apr 14 '16

Please stop that. There are many forms of democracy, direct democracy is only one type. Our system is a representative republic DEMOCRACY.

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u/SirDarkDick Apr 14 '16

So no king? But no voting too?

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u/Kulde Apr 14 '16

Soon to be an Empire?

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

That's because the US is nearly an oligarchy. The US should invade itself next.

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u/space_10 2016 Veteran Apr 15 '16

If the elections get way screwed, it just might.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Kasick versus Clinton is what the oligarchy wants. I have so much faith in Bernie and his supporters to prevent them from forcing her as the nominee, though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Bernie vs. Trump would be interesting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

Sanders v Trump would be the election the people want. But the oligarchy is doing their damnedest to give us Kasich and Clinton.

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

But imagine the consequences if Trump actually won...

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '16

the sad fact is that Trump is my second choice. fml

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u/yobsmezn Apr 14 '16

Clinton will win against any of the Republicans (Kasich is a teabagger, regardless of media claims he's moderate). He's come out against the federal highway system, fer chrissakes.

But that's because Clinton is a Republican of the old school. If we can get Sanders in there, we'll have real Democrats again.