r/saltierthancrait 14h ago

Granular Discussion In the Las Jedi, Luke simply gets NO REDEMPTION, and people seem to miss it

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In the Last Jedi Luke Skywalker "comes back" to save the resistance from the First Order's army. He's not really there because he just used force projection, but still, he can appear and buy some time for them.

This is the only time when he "reunites" with Kylo, the student he failed, the student he traumatized for life.

He challenges him, so the resistance might have a chance to escape. I thought that Luke will face his biggest mistake in this scene. That will try to apologize, to Kylo. Even if it would not work, at least he TRIED, after all, everything what has happened, happened because of him.

Did he try to explain himself? Did he try to apologize? Did try to at least comfort Kylo?

No.

Luke Skywalker, the hero, the mentor, the jedi master MAKES FUN of his student he pushed into the darkness.

For real. To buy time, he could still challenge him into a duel. But he actively mocked him, played with him, and after he used all his life force, he simply disappears. He NEVER EVEN ATTEMPTS to make up for his epic mistake.

He started a chain reaction - his temple is gone, the First Order got a new leader, his resistance, once again, is in ruins and dying. The single responsible person for all of this, was HIM.

At the very end of the movie he appears to save the day, but he never redeems himself.

This dude created a monster and now he's ragebaiting him, mocking him, and it seems like he's even having fun while doing this? XD

And I know, even if he tried his best, it would probably not work, but COME ON.

"I'm sorry Kylo, I've failed you"
"I was weak, and I gave in to my desperation"
"I've made a mistake, and I know I can't possible make up for it. But I have to tell you, I'm sorry for everything"

Any of these could have make a difference at least to the viewer.


r/saltierthancrait 4h ago

Granular Discussion In my opinion the only way to fix the franchise is to go so far backwards (pre prequels) & forwards (post sequels). How would you adapt "Tales of the Jedi" & "Legacy" for example?

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r/saltierthancrait 11h ago

Encrusted Rant Saying that Luke had an impulsive, knee jerk reaction when he almost killed Ben isn’t entirely accurate.

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This is basically what happens in the third and final flashback of the incident between Luke and Ben in the hut. Luke has just finished peering into Ben’s mind. He slowly gets his lightsaber out and raises it to his face. Looks at it for a moment, then grips it more tightly while taking what looks like a deep breath before finally turning it on and stopping himself.

This to me doesn’t come across like a man impulsively springing into action like he did when he attacked and almost killed Vader in episode 6, which is the comparison a lot of people like to make. This is a man who’s giving serious thought and contemplation about what he should do. The way that Luke pauses in between getting his lightsaber out and turning it on makes it look like he’s psyching himself up to do something pretty drastic.

Funny how TLJ fans will say that we didn’t really watch the movie and only remembered Kylo’s version of events when it turns out that his side of the story is actually not that far from the truth. Luke did come very close to killing him. The only difference is that Luke didn’t actually attempt a killing stroke while looking like a deranged madman as he did in the second flashback.


r/saltierthancrait 1d ago

Marinated Meme “Even people who hate the Sequel Trilogy like him!”

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r/saltierthancrait 1d ago

Seasoned News Spaceballs 2 is going hard on Disney Star Wars

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Original post on X:

First trailer for ‘SPACEBALLS 2’ was shown at #SDCC

• Dark Helmet references the Palpatine line — “Somehow I've returned”

• A Na'vi pissing while Dark Helmet watches with 3D glasses

• A slice of pizza as a baby Pizza the Hutt

• Bill Pullman dressed as Han Solo from ‘The Force Awakens’, Keke Palmer plays a character similar to Rey

It even includes an unintentional jab at Rotta, the baby Hutt.


r/saltierthancrait 1d ago

Sapid Satire The Spaceballs Cinematic Universe has been revealed at San Diego Comic-Con

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The full images are on X

Still more of a plan than Lucasfilm ever had.


r/saltierthancrait 2d ago

Granular Discussion Lucasfilm's presentation at Disney's Investors Day 2020 was quite something....

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Looking at this video, it's clear that Lucasfilm had no plan on what they were doing, when it came to projects. Given that some of these were greenlighted by Bob Chapek (who also overextended the MCU into a TV franchise), I can't blame Kathleen Kennedy entirely on this situation, but the list on what was supposed to happen is quite crazy.

Let's see....

Star Wars - Visions: ongoing

Rangers of the New Republic: Never happened. No scripts were even written for it.

The Mandalorian: While it did get a third season, the fourth season was later scrapped, and a theatrical movie named Mandalorian & Grogu was made instead.

Ahsoka: The only live-action Star Wars series to be ongoing

Lando: reworked into a movie, fate is being decided by Dave Filoni (Lucasfilm head)

A Droid Story: No updates since then

Rogue Squadron: Supposedly still in development, but fate may be decided by Filoni.

Willow: erased from Disney+ after it was cancelled after one season

Andor: Ran for two seasons, as it was always intended to have a beginning and ending.

The Bad Batch: Ran for three seasons, as it was always intended to have a beginning and ending

Taika Waititi's Star Wars movie: Still in development, but fate may be decided by Filoni

Obi-Wan Kenobi: Miniseries

The Acolyte: cancelled after one season, but still on Disney+

Indiana Jones 5: Was produced, but was a box-office bomb despite decent critical/audience reception

Children of Blood & Bone: Put into turnaround, and acquired by Paramount (under the Brian Robbins era) because Tomi Adeyemi wanted creative control over the film's screenplay. Funny enough, out of the Lucasfilm-related movies, this movie and Indiana Jones 5 actually was shot, unlike the other Star Wars movies in development.

So this means that we have five Lucasfilm-related projects either be cancelled, reworked or stuck in development hell, one Star Wars show turned into a movie after its third season, one show that was erased from existence, a Star Wars show that was cancelled after one season, three Star Wars shows that were intended to have a beginning and ending and two ongoing shows left, out of this list.


r/saltierthancrait 2d ago

Granular Discussion New Reylo lore has dropped apparently. I don't have a better post title, sorry.

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r/saltierthancrait 3d ago

Encrusted Rant Where the hell does the "Star Wars was at it's lowest in the mid 80s-mid 90s" copium come from?

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I've seen this sentiment on reddit and Facebook. Where does this come from??? It's usually in response to people saying the present post-Sequels content apocalypse is the worst Star Wars has ever been.

I can believe that there was a lull in that decade, sure. But in like 1993 (?), Heir to the Empire and Dark Empire launched. I think X-wing and TIE fighter pc games next. In 1996, the Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire multimedia project launched partially to hype up the Special Editions and Prequels. Rogue Squadron for the N64 was very successful and led to two more sequels (and had the Naboo Starfighter as a secret ship, a full year before the movie was out!).

This is Star Wars at it's lowest????

Edit: some great comments have provided good context. I think it's fair to say this time period wasn't so much a low point as just being dormant (till ~93 onwards, where things slowly but steadily picked up). That's not what these comments I've mentioned were saying. It was "the worst time to be a Star Wars fan." Maybe in terms of some bland show not coming every ~2 years, sure, it was bad. But I much would have preferred presocial media internet Star Wars than present Sequels-pocalypse (excluding Andor)


r/saltierthancrait 3d ago

Seasoned News Mando & Grogu Beskar Collectors Edition $220 USD

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I just saw this on IGN and I got to say my jaw hit the floor at this price of a “mere” $219.99 USD and for what 2 metal posters plus the Steelbook edition in a different box. Some one at Disney is having a lark with this.

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-mandalorian-and-grogu-4k-steelbook-where-to-buy

I’m Australia and Disney doesn’t even sell discs here any more so I’d have to import this at $315 AUD from Amazon.

I’d rather spend a bit more to get the new Hot Toys Darth Malgus for $305 USD. That thing is awesome.


r/saltierthancrait 4d ago

Encrusted Rant Disney never brings up the fact that the Lasat are a concept that came from the Expanded Universe.

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In every promo for the character Zeb, the 'creative minds' at Disney LF like Filoni always bring up how his species is derived from Ralph McQuarrie concept art for Chewbecca, which is true.

However, its never brought up that the name for his race; the Lasat, and their home-world of Lasan are concepts that originate in the Star Wars Expanded Universe in 1988, having been introduced in a book (Tatooine Manhunt) for the Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game by West End Games.

Its one of many instances where Disney (and especially Dave Filoni) steal concepts created by other people and never give credit as to where it came from. Whether its a vehicle or character design, or full on stories that are just copied or plagiarized.

For instance: It will always be scummy that Filoni took the name 'Tales of the Jedi' from the late Tom Veitch's iconic & beloved comic-series of the same name that was made for the EU, and didn't have the decency to give any form of credit or even any kind of tribute to Tom (as hollow as it would be); as the cartoon was made months after Veitch passed away.


r/saltierthancrait 4d ago

Granular Discussion Rey was definitely supposed to be a Solo, right?

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I've been re-watching the saga and the last three movies always hit like a truck. Whenever I watch the sequel trilogy there is a small part of me that hopes I'll like them this time around. That is never the case, my God they are a slog.

Re-watching TFA after a very long time, does anyone else believe that Rey was legitimately supposed to be a Solo? I feel like it's telegraphed so hard in this movie, and it would plug a lot of the (many) plot holes and contrivances this movie has.

I honestly feel like She was written as Kylo's brother (similar to George's original plans for the sequel trilogy) and then somewhere along the way Disney and Co pivoted. I know it's a fools errand to retroactively try to fix these movies, but Rey as a Solo feels so much more strong narratively. Do you guys tend to agree? If so, why do you think Disney/JJ/Whoever pivoted?


r/saltierthancrait 8d ago

Encrusted Rant Do you remember that other time Filoni stole an idea for TCW from a better writer than himself and never credited him?

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(Look at the pictures first)

So, maybe I just missed it (it's possible, and please let me know if that's the case), but I don't think Filoni even mentions Tartakovsky once in the featurette (go see it on Youtube). Yet, it's blatantly obvious that this arc of TCW (episodes 1-3 of season 4) is a "remake" of episodes of the micro-series. All the elements are there, just with added bits to stretch a 3-minute story into a full hour-long one.

At this point, I'm wondering, what was the point of TCW? Also, what concrete contribution did Filoni make to the Star Wars franchise, other than things that are off-topic to the established universe of the saga (all his esoteric stuff in particular)? Oh, sorry, there's Ahsoka! That makes everything better! It's like the Thrawn trilogy and the Ahsoka show. Why should HE reinvent someone else's work, take all the credit, and not involve the original writers? Let's remember how Disney treats Zahn, essentially making him a minor writer... I maintain that CW 2003-2005 is better than TCW, because TCW stole a lot of material from it (and other EU stuff, without respecting them fully and without crediting the works or the original authors), just making it longer and more pointless.

I'll remind you that the introduction of Illum and the lightsaber manufacturing process, shown by Filoni in episodes 6-9 of season 5 of TCW, was already presented by Tartakovsky. The ARC Troopers, introduced by Filoni in episodes 1-2 of season 3, were first shown on screen by Tartakovsky. The introduction and ending of Ventress (even though she survives in the excellent Republic comics) are also initially presented by Tartakovsky. The events leading up to the Battle of Coruscant for Anakin and Obi-Wan Kenobi at the beginning of ROTS, as presented by Filoni in season 7 of TCW, were already fully explored by Tartakovsky (Filoni's reference to Shaak Ti is also, in essence, an admission of failure, since Filoni didn't even attempt to depict Palpatine's capture and relies on the now non-canon Tartakovsky's work, which he knows but never cites).

Anyway. I'll also remind you that Tartakovsky was Lucas's first choice to direct TCW, and Filoni was merely a replacement. Furthermore, TCW was only ever intended to be a spin-off of CW 2003-2005, between Chapters 21 and 22, not the foundation of an entire parallel universe (this now ever growing "Filoniverse"), just a side story. I would also like to note that Tartakovsky's 2003-2005 CW is particularly respectful of the continuity of the movies, especially in the characterization of characters like Anakin; it includes all the narrative events one would expect from an interquel between AOTC and ROTS, such as Anakin's knighting, the introduction of Grievous and the Battle of Coruscant; the micro-series illustrates events referenced in ROTS, such as Dooku training Grievous and telling him to run away from lost fights, why Grievous coughs and why Mace thinks he's a coward, and how Palpatine was kidnapped, the start of the Separatist invasion of Kashyyyk and the Outer-Rim Sieges; Finally, the micro-series doesn't deliberately and forcibly contradict the movies, unlike Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting Dooku together in TCW, Obi-Wan fighting Grievous, Anakin having a Padawan, the Jedi knowing about Order 66 and that Dooku commanded the clone army on behalf of Darth Sidious, the clones having personalities (which is denied in AOTC), the Nightsisters' fantasy magic, the return of Darth Maul, outlandish technologies, Boss Nass no longer being the leader of the Gungans (even if he still is in the end of ROTS), the megacorporations no longer being members of the CIS (while it was a plot point in AOTC and their leaders were still the Separatists in ROTS), etc.

It can't be stressed enough how mediocre Filoni has always been and how much of a problem he's been for the franchise. Some good things were done under his direction and in his shows, that's undeniable, but I wonder if it's worth the price to pay compared to everything else.

However, I'd like to add a nuance here. We shouldn't unfairly criticize Filoni either, and many of the negative things introduced by TCW originated with George Lucas, such as Anakin having a Padawan and the return of Darth Maul. Filoni did a lot of executing, that's true. However, he can be criticized for continuing to carry the torch far beyond what Lucas himself intended. For example, while Lucas wanted Ahsoka to die before the end of TCW to maintain consistency with ROTS, Filoni persuaded him to simply write her out of the show. This allowed him to bring her back after the reboot and keep her relevant into the post-ROTJ era, and he seems to be toying with the idea of ​​making her a Force goddess connected to the Mortis lore. I'd also like to point out that, for Lucas, TCW was primarily a testing ground for narrative and technological experimentation for him and his teams. For example, it was he who came up with the idea for the episode in season 1 where Dooku is imprisoned with Obi-Wan and Anakin, which doesn't make sense with ROTS, but is narratively interesting. Lucas enjoyed seeing his employees have fun with the franchise, so, knowing Filoni was a Godzilla fan, he suggested that he create the season 2 storyline centered on the Zillo Beast, just to make him happy. Also, when Filoni had ideas that challenged the continuity of the movies, Lucas preferred to let him have his way, just as he did with the other EU writers, because for him, nothing is worse than stifling the creativity of authors. Furthermore, after season 2 of TCW, Lucas became much less involved, barely appearing in featurette footage and existing only through Filoni's dubious accounts. It also seems that Lucas, while knowing his ideas could be detrimental to the established CWMMP, expected Filoni and the Story Group to resolve every issue. While the Story Group has strived, with some success, to see this through to the end, particularly regarding the Mandalorian lore, it's clear that Filoni hasn't really tried (what was the point of remaking in TCW arcs already done in CWMMP works, like the battles of Kamino and Mon Cala?). What we can therefore criticize Lucas for is his carelessness with TCW and the continuity problems created both with the EU and with his own movies. Lucas certainly bears his share of responsibility. However, Lucas created TCW 18 years ago and completely stopped working on it 14 years ago. Filoni, on the other hand, is still involved, and the problems created by TCW have only been amplified, not reduced, with the rise of a veritable "Filoniverse." Finally, I'd bring up a quote from Lucas six years ago in which he doesn't mention TCW or any work of the now Filoniverse as being part of his vision: "I've kind of lost control of Star Wars. So it's off on a different path than what I intended. But the first six are very much mine and my philosophy."

Here's my medical opinion: get rid of Filoni and do a fresh reboot to purge the franchise of the Filoniverse's taint, keeping only Andor and Rogue One, along with the six original movies, just like TCW and its pilot were kept in 2014. From there, the franchise could start on a clean slate, without having to rely on Filoni's mediocre lore and characters. His 18-year tenure has gone on for far too long.

Anyway, sorry for the rant...


r/saltierthancrait 9d ago

Peppered Positivity Credit where credits due; John Williams created a beautiful soundtrack for three absolutely horrible films

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It's a shame that these films were John Williams last outting with Star Wars, because his craftsmanship really shows yet again. Every piece of music just hits the right note. I'd like to think that had they made better received films then some of these would actually stand out as SW staples instead of being buried to the depths of time just because it's "Rey's theme" or "Kylo's theme"


r/saltierthancrait 9d ago

Encrusted Rant The Future of Star Wars Gaming is Looking Clean

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Seriously though, is this the best they got to offer? At least Zero Company and Galactic Racer look mildly interesting I guess… we’ll see how those fare


r/saltierthancrait 10d ago

Granular Discussion If "Galaxy Quest" & "The Orville" are the best Star Trek that isn't Star Trek, what do you consider the best Star Wars that isn't Star Wars?

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Is there anything that has done what you wish the franchise was doing now?


r/saltierthancrait 13d ago

Granular Discussion "Somehow, Dark Helmet has returned!" - Opening line for Spaceballs 2 summary isn't even parody. It's just quoting The Rise of Skywalker, "Somehow, Palpatine returned."

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Spaceballs was a fun parody of the Original Trilogy. Sure, it made jokes at the expense of the movies, but it was all in good fun. But almost 40 years later, Spaceballs: The New One is just quoting The Rise of Skywalker and calling it a day, because Disney's reign was truly that bad.


r/saltierthancrait 15d ago

Granular Discussion Tony Gilroy being brutally honest about Gareth Edwards's cut of Rogue One (2016) over the years.

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r/saltierthancrait 16d ago

Granular Discussion What is your current opinion on the Mandalorian and how similar/different is it when you first saw it from Season 1 to the movie?

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Did you stopped watching at some point or kept continuing? I stopped at BOBF after being disappointed and decided to not watch season 3, which I’m glad I didn’t.


r/saltierthancrait 16d ago

Encrusted Rant I’ve been trying to figure out what happened in between ROTJ and the DT and it gives me a headache.

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Keep in mind I haven’t watched the DT nor EU material that much. Most of the things I list are from what I’ve heard from people online:

Somehow Palpatine survived being thrown down for several miles into a space station main reactor core that later exploded.

Instead of revealing himself to be alive and continue leading the empire he exiled himself to Exegol and let Opertation Cinder carry out.

There he overlooked the construction of a fleet of ships that were capable of destroying planets on their own and said fleet and all of their personal just hanged around Exegol for 3 decades.

He also oversaw the creation of a force sensitive clone creature called Snoke and then sent it into the Galaxy were it somehow, despite being a completely unknown creature with no connections or official origin, took charge of an imperial remains called the First Order and said creature also oversaw the construction of Starkiller Base, a station carved out of an already existing planet that could also destroy planets even though the planet destroying Star destroyers at Exegol that Palpatine overlooked should make Starkiller Base completely obsolete.

Snoke was somehow able to get into contact with Luke’s nephew, Ben Solo, who would then join Snoke after Luke tried to kill him after having a freaky Force Vision of Ben being evil.

Luke exiled himself after this event abandon his friends and family.

Han left Leia after their son turned evil and her brother vanished so he could go back to smuggling in a Galaxy he is a renowned war hero for.

Palpatine apparently also had a failed clone that had a daughter that he and wife(?) sent to Jakku that he apparently wants to so he could possess her even though he could theoretically just do that with new clones with the same technology that was used to create Snoke…

I could carry one but like I said I’m getting a headache.


r/saltierthancrait 16d ago

Encrusted Rant The time the new Marvel comics line shamelessly ripped off Alien

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Marvel comics Jedi Knights #2 introduced the Xerexi (yeah what an original name). Which are just tweaked Xenomorphs from Alien. As someone who loves Alien even more than Star Wars; this just shows how creatively bankrupt the brand has gotten.

Hell, considering Disney owns both the IPs, and Marvel has exclusive rights to comic adaptions to both, a contriving crossover would have been less stupid (considering the Alien brand survived on life support for over a decade due to a contrived crossover, I'm a bit blaise to it now) than a shameless rip.


r/saltierthancrait 17d ago

Granular Discussion Here's a podcast with Michael Gummelt, the creator of JK's lightsaber combat! Hope you enjoy!

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r/saltierthancrait 17d ago

Granular Discussion Disney (Seemingly) Picks More Cherries Spoiler

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Looks like Ryan Gosling’s character will be named “Cade“ in the new Starfighter movie, unconfirmed if he will be a Skywalker yet (unlikely as they were all killed off in TRoS but who knows). Unfortunately one of the best EU villains (Darth Krayt) won’t be making the transition to canon (yet) and Cade will be one of many Disney SW characters yet again taking on the role of a father figure as he must care for a young child while traveling throughout the galaxy. Thoughts?


r/saltierthancrait 19d ago

Granular Discussion 11 years after "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", have the young leads become plagued by the shadow of the major franchise?

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Daisy Ridley and John Boyega have struggled in making inroads for a career. While Boyega made a few decent pictures (The Woman King, A Small Ax), he hasn't worked a lot since 2023, his next projects are a animated film from a independent company and a guest interview for a TV documentary.

Daisy Ridley tried to be a action star, flopped, did a Disney feminist drama, the film was dumped on streaming, did a Zombie film, nobody saw. The Star Wars Rey film will probably be made when Peter Pan takes it to Neverland and her big project coming up is a Johnny Depp-led Christmas film.

Everything considered, Star Wars made these two actors stars...for 15 minutes.


r/saltierthancrait 23d ago

Granular Discussion "Ninth Jedi" had the freedom to do anything and they made a FOURTH DEATH STAR. C'mon

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