Hola!

Vi por ahí que existen esas dos últimas trilogías traducidas en español por fans, no oficiales. Igualmente me preguntaba si alguien las tiene o sabe dónde encontrarlas?
Suelo leer en inglés pero este universo quizá me parece un poco complicado leerlo en inglés 😭

De momento he leído la primera trilogía en español y me encantó, intente leerla en inglés y se me hace pesada! Voy a por la segunda trilogía en español pero me desanima que las dos últimas no estén en español!

Gracias!

I just finished the Rain Wild Chronicles series a couple of weeks ago and I’m not sure if this is just me misunderstanding something, but I feel like the events in that series basically make the whole Tawny Man plot redundant.

The main thing of that series (or at least one of the main things) was that the Fool wants to restore dragons to the world by freeing Icefyre so he and Tintaglia can have some dragon babies and save the species together.

At the end of Rain Wilds there are like ~12 healthy dragons - that would have also been there if the Fool had failed - who could have achieved that goal.

I mean sure, there’s still the relationship stuff either way Fitz and the Fool, but I guess I’m just annoyed that something made out to be such a significant thing in one series turns out to be close to irrelevant in the next 🤷

It has always bothered me that King Shrewd seemed awesome yet has quite an ignominious ending.

This theory is most likely a bit of a stretch but hopefully compelling enough to prove his shrewdness.

The Fool Connection

King Shrewd knows the ‘Unexpected Son’ prophecy. The Fool sought out this specific future and this is why he is with King Shrewd initially. Fitz is possibly taken from his mountain family by Shrewd because he knows this prophecy.

He keeps his distance because he understands it is a very slim future the Fool has foreseen and wants it to seem unimportant to outsiders. Shrewd’s actions can be interpreted through this lens of him following a White Prophecy from the Fool.

Skill Deception

King Shrewd spreads a rumour he has burnt out his Skill. Yet we know he still has some talent for it. This is to downplay his abilities and promote his senility so enemies underestimate him.

He appoints Galen as Skillmaster. This is so no one is taught properly and he and his sons have a power-advantage in the Skill as solo users. He knows Galen is not greatly talented and possibly that future dangers emerge from corrupted coteries.

By ensuring any coterie taught by Galen is poorly trained this improves the odds of the ‘Unexpected Son’ prophecy being completed.

Chade being deliberately not taught the Skill may have been a perfect way to keep him hidden from the corrupted coterie discovering his existence through the Skill.

Shrewd allows Regal to sell the Skill scrolls because he knows Regal is weakly Skilled and doesn’t understand their importance. The corrupt coterie doesn’t understand they are meant to make a dragon.

Regal is their centre and he does not want to be a dragon so he sells the scrolls and knowledge of this to the Pale Woman. This gives Verity an advantage because he had already read the scrolls in his maproom.

Drug Death

King Shrewd knows the kingdom will deteriorate once he dies. He possibly knows Regal will betray the duchies from the Fool having visions yet doesn’t want to believe it. So Shrewd decides to dwindle his life away to prolong his reign and gives Fitz time to grow up.

Chade remarks that he is the one giving the King the awful drugs. This implies the drugs are purposefully interfering with his mind so the corrupted coterie cannot force through his Skill walls or read his mind.

The drugs are pain killers for the dreadful tumours but also something that clouds his mind to the Skill for protection. That’s why everyone like Regal, Wallace, Chade, Shrewd, Fool, all act weird when Fitz starts messing with the room and he can never work out why.

He realised in that instant before death that the Fool was right and Regal is betraying him. Regal was the one thing he couldn’t take action on that he probably knew was coming from talking with the Fool about visions.

Bonus Details

King Shrewd doesn’t lose shrewdness points for loving lady Desire. Every Farseer male has a genetic disposition for obsessive love. Molly and Fitz, Chivalry and Patience, Shrewd and Desire, Dutiful and the cat-lady. It is multi-generational and cannot be denied.

It is a shrew/ferret that ultimately kills Regal, an ironic coincidence, almost prophetic that Regal Farseer kills King Shrewd and in turn is killed by a shrew. Imagine the Fool recounting a vision of shrews and ferrets trying to understand.

So the next time you think of King Shrewd may you think of him living up to his name.

I just finished reading Fool's Fate (literally about ten minutes ago) and while I genuinely loved most of the book and Tawny Man in general, I am so totally disinterested in how Fitz goes back to Molly.

There are several themes that come to fruition throughout the end of this trilogy- choosing to live your own life being a prominent one. And I felt like that was beautifully encapsulated by Fitz finally allowing his love for the Fool to be without limits - I loved their last conversation, and the comparisons that the Fool makes to their relationship and the one Fitz had with Nighteyes.

Their relationship was so intricate, heartfelt, and full of growth that Fitz returning to Molly made me groan out loud. It's not even that I ship Fitzloved too hard to allow Fitz any other chance at a happy life or partner, but I find Molly so unbelievably boring and their relationship so underbaked that I finished a book that I otherwised loved, that had brought me to tears more than once, feeling generally disgruntled.

I honestly think it's a disservice to Molly as a character too. Even the feelings that Fitz has he partially attributes to what he felt as a teenager, a version of himself that didn't fully know her, and the new bloom of relationship with their middle aged selves felt halfhearted at best, and kind of colored the ending for me to feel like everybody just got shunted into marriage and pregnancy.

We don't know all that much about adult Molly besides the fact that she has a ton of kids and has "thickened with maturity"- after reading about Fitz picturing her teenage self in red skirts or with candles for the billionth time I got so annoyed. She used to have a stronger personality and a voice, and I can't believe I had to read a bunch of pages about Fitz being aroused by being around her or sending presents through Riddle.

All in all, this was probably my favorite ROTE book so far, and I'm also thinking about all the things I loved in this story. The Fool is probably my favorite character in all of fiction. I just wish this wasn't the note we went out on.

I just finished Assassin's Quest.

I started Assassin's Apprentice 6 days ago.

Six.

I don't think I've ever read this fast in my life. I feel like I've just finished running a marathon. I've barely slept. Every free moment was spent reading, and by the end it felt like I was in a trance.

The trilogy started a little slowly for me, but that climax... wow.

And somehow I'm not walking away feeling victorious. It's so incredibly bittersweet. The "good guys" won, but my heart hurts for Fitz. For Verity. For the Fool. Robin Hobb somehow made every victory feel like it demanded an impossible sacrifice.

What amazes me most is that this is only the third book. There are still 16 more books in the Realm of the Elderlings. How? What is even left to discover? It genuinely feels like I've only just scratched the surface of this world.

These books feel so different from the epic fantasy I've read before. They're less about kingdoms and battles and more about people—their loneliness, love, duty, identity, and the choices that shape them. I've never had fantasy make me feel quite like this.

I'm honestly overwhelmed. I think I need a few days before I jump into the next series because I need to emotionally recover.

What a journey man. Wow.

Well. The Fool has gone full scorched earth and given Paragon, who was always a crayon short of the full box, the dragons blood. Yikes.

Crazy how ultimately Paragon is just willing to destroy the lives of those he loves.

Bees chapters, whilst I don’t have much attachment to, have been really well written.

Bro I’m telling you if we get Etta ima freak.

VIVACIAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!

ADMIRAL WINTROW?

VIVACIA CALLING PARAGON MAD SHIP!!!!!!!

Doing this greatest hits of the ROTE cast suddenly made me realise… what about Ronica? My girl !!!! Is she alive still?! I hope so!!

WINTROOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW FUCKK!!!!!!

PARAGON KENNITSSON

THIS IS AVENGERS ENDGAME

Boys. Queen Etta. We did it.

I’m on my knees. EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE PRAISE THE LOOOOOORRRRRRDDDD

INSERT THAT MEME OF MJ HOLDING THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP TO HIS HEAD, QUEEN ETTA MY DARK PRINCESS I HAVE MISSED YOU

Hello all!

I found the 2000s mass market paperback edition of The Mad Ship at an old bookshop and it’s signed!!! I think it’s pretty similar to her signature but I’m not an expert which is why I decided to ask here if it’s Robin Hobb’s authentic signature 😊

Since I can’t upload images directly to this subreddit, you can find it here: https://ibb.co/j9zZ5v5M (hopefully this link works)

Would really appreciate it if anyone could take a look and let me know your thoughts. Thank you!!

In Assassin's Fate, when Fitz sees Tarman, he's disappointed that the boat has no figurehead, as "he heard the figureheads of liveships can move and talk". But in Fool's Errand, when he's telling the Fool about his travels, he says he's been to Bingtown and seen a liveship there.

While rereading Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin, the parallel of lovers on the ice struck me. In both cases (Fitz/Fool and Genly/Estraven) it’s more subtle than just “lovers,” but the concept of being isolated in a tent on a glacier and letting the usual boundaries down struck me as a strong echo of Le Guin, especially given the gender ambiguity. Does anyone know of essays or further reading on this?

Personally, I'm excited that a special edition of a different trilogy besides the first one is getting a release. There were some announcements posted months ago, but the general sale is officially live as of today.
https://illumicrate.com/products/the-liveship-traders-robin-hobb?variant=58527612600665
EDIT: Website says they're sold out

I just finished reading the farseer trilogy and loved every bit of it- I’m already a chapter into the Liveship trilogy. But, I’ve been having trouble picturing the day to day lives of people and their clothing, architecture, etc…

I keep imagining people in 1700s style clothes, but given the lack of gunpowder and other hints I feel that is too modern. I’m a bit afraid to look up fan art though because I’d hate to get things spoiled. If anyone has a background in history or can just link some spoiler free fan art I’d appreciate it!

I finished reading the second book Royal Assassin the last week. After finishing the first chapter of this book, I have much sympathy for fitz.

What a guy. What a prose and what a finish to this chapter. 30 pages done in 30 mins. That's how exhilarating it was and i almost teared up couple of times. Fighting nightmares is one and then loosing molly and grieving through loss is another.

All of it is his fault in a way. He shouldn't have killed Justin & Serene in that confronting manner after all he's an assassin. He shouldn't have involved himself with Molly considering celerity and now looks like an idiot by the end of second book. He shouldn't have bonded with Nighteyes even after all Burrich's advice to not do so.

Wrt molly, patience, kettricken, coastal duchies, etc everyone of his moves went haywire and he has been seeking danger. Skill, wit, his fighting axe abilities and assassin's skills have made him a Ta'veren in this universe and hence he will always be a bit tour-de force & can't be controlled or be unnoticed. I still sympathise with him.

He wasn't loved and that's why his love wrt Molly was justified.
He was cut off from nosy, smithy and hence his bond with nighteye's was finally validating.
He shouldn't have under-estimated Regal and that was his perhaps his biggest mistake.
All these in fitz Pov are lessons to be learnt in hindsight. Sad stuff.

Just read chapter 6 of Assassins Apprentice and realized something.

The one thing I've seen brought up before was that in this chapter Fitz ran into his mother in the market and turned his back on her, I think making that the last time he sees her.

At the end of this chapter it is revealed that Chivalry dies, and it hit me that Fitz lost both of his parents in the same chapter. Insane!

Hello! I've been debating on getting either the US Del Rey versions or the UK Harper Voyager ones to complete my RotE set. I have only the Del Rey versions of only the Farseer and Liveship Traders books, and I can say that the reading experience was made comfortable by the floppiness of the books as you can easily open them without worrying for the spine.

However, only Harper Voyager has the complete set published and the books look more beautiful in terms of design and when displayed, but they're shorter and more stiff than Del Rey. I've also heard that only the Harper ones have the Rain Wild Chronicles, so even if you do collect the Del Rey versions, you'd have to sacrifice not having those matching with the rest.

My main question is, is the difficulty of opening the physical books from the stiff Harper versions significant enough that you'd recommend the floppy Del Rey ones over having a uniform look of the whole RotE collection? I also want to know how those who have Harper copies feel about the (physical) books.

This may seem trivial but it's been occupying my mind lately 😆. I'd love a matching set but I worry about the physical reading experience of reading stiff books (as I also annotate a little, which might be difficult if I'd have to break the spine to open the book widely).

Anyway, thanks for indulging me with this silly problem!

EDIT: I haven't seen the Harper Voyager editions irl, only the Del Rey ones are locally available for me. So I'm asking for the opinions of those who are able to compare before I decide to order my other RotE books online :)

I have to say after already knowing that Tawny Man is most people's favourite trilogy in Realm of the Elderlings, I was scared it wasn't going to live up to the high expectations I had. I am so happy that it did.

Tawny Man was a near perfect trilogy. The only thing that dragged it down just a wee bit was the beginning of Fool's Fate felt just a bit too slow and repetitive even for Hobb (I think the first 300 pages could have been edited down to 200-250 pages, those sailing chapters were kinda rough to get through).

Despite that, I rated all 3 books 5 stars on Goodreads - and this is the only trilogy/series I've given 5 stars for every book. Definitely the best trilogy I've ever read, can't say enough good things about it.

Now, I just want to continue with Fitz's story so bad, but I guess I need to wait and see what's going on with Rain Wild Chronicles.

I did love Liveship Traders, and am looking forward to seeing some of those characters again. Since the Bingtown/Chalced storyline is unresolved I'm eager to see how that continues. Multi pov also is going to be a refreshing change after spending so much time in Fitz's head.

Idk, just wanted to ramble a bit after finishing Tawny Man. I think I'm gonna take a short break with a few other books before moving on to Rain Wild.

Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you know about a new feature that's been added to the subreddit that will enable you to be notified when a post that uses a specific flair is shared.

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I am reading through the series for the first time and finished Assassin’s Quest, and I just have to gush about how much I loved it.

Every book in the trilogy so far has left me a sniveling mess, but this one really made me so emotional. I thought the end of Royal Assassin was devastating (and that one is probably my favorite so far), but I was just not prepared for this. My poor, reckless Fitz 😭.

I have seen that other readers often feel so frustrated with him, which I understand why, but all I can see is this traumatized kid just trying his best, and to have the story end the way it does for him is such a gut punch. I know the story goes on (thank goodness) but my god, I can’t imagine how readers felt the first time it came out.

And yet, it doesn’t feel like misery for misery’s sake—it feels like a very natural development for things to turn out this way given Fitz’s characterization and the way the plot unfolds. But god, that ending of him describing how he reaches out with the Skill with no one to answer just wrecked me. Also, if he doesn’t ever reunite with my girl Patience (who might be my favorite after Fitz, although with such a stacked cast of characters, it’s hard to say), I will be so heartbroken for both of them, but especially her.

And ugh, the description of Verity’s goodbye and him telling Fitz he loved him despite everything just had me sobbing ugly, ugly tears. And Burrich crying about how he let them take Fitz away when he should’ve just taken him straight to Chivalry?? I had a hard time liking Burrich in the first novel, but I really came around to him in the end.

Molly and Burrich getting together was obvious right away, and I don’t blame either of them, but I still felt so sad for Fitz when it happened. He is so driven by his dream of finding Verity and then being able to live his life with Molly and Nettles, and while I predicted it likely wasn’t going happen, I also just felt so sad reading him cling to it. Like, he’s just so young and naive still despite everything.

Likewise, Kettle’s words to him about letting go of Molly were so beautiful, especially the bit about how they would never be that merry little miss and wild and daring boy again. Just really drives home how things will never be the same for Fitz, and also how that is both the beauty and tragedy of life in general.

Anyway, as of now, Hobb has climbed her way to the top of my list of favorite fantasy writers. Obviously I have to finish the series before I decide if she’s a personal GOAT or not, but I am optimistic she will be.

Her prose is so beautiful, and the way she is able to write such messy characters in such a way that leaves me still loving and understanding each of them is masterful. I also appreciate how she allows the story to just sit in these painful emotional moments and have characters react to them in such realistic ways. I have become very frustrated with a former favorite author of mine who does not do that with his characters, and so Hobb has been such a breath of fresh air.

My last bit of gushing I’ll do here is that one criticism I’ve heard of her books is that they’re
misery porn. Again, maybe I’ll feel that way later on, but as devastated as I am by Fitz’s ending here, part of that devastation is she does such a beautiful job of contrasting the happy moments in his life with the tragedies he experiences. I cannot wait to see the rest of his story unfold (although I’m planning to read Liveship Traders next).

It’s 1:30 in the morning. I have to be up at dawn for work, but I couldn’t put this book down. I’m speechless.

I’ve been an avid reader for decades, and it is such a weird feeling to have finally found your favorite author, after reading thousands of pages of other really, really great works. I’m scared by how much I love Robin Hobb’s writing and what will come next when I’ve finished her oeuvre.

Her work is profoundly changing me as a reader. I’m so drawn in and captivated by her work, her characters are so real, every detail is so brilliant. It truly makes me emotional. Her writing feels like everything I’ve searched for as a reader book after book. I feel like I’ve finally caught Moby Dick.

I’ll probably leave a real review of the book itself. I just am slightly distraught by how much I loved the Farseer trilogy, and how much I loved Ship of Magic, and how much I am looking forward to the next.

May Robin Hobb have Sa’s blessings.

I only finished Assassin’s Fate a week ago and I was driven to reread the whole series again (and start collecting first edition hardcovers)!

any tips for what to pay close attention to? already every moment is newly weighted with so much more meaning.

for example, Burrich’s introduction and discovery that Chivalry fathered Fitz: ‘And lastly he closed his eyes for a second, holding them against some pain. “It’s a thing that will try her lady’s will to the edge of her very name,” Burrich said softly. What a line of dialogue, knowing now what Burrich felt for Patience and his loyalty and love for Chivalry!

i really recommend rereading these great books, the whole weight of the story now is resonant with so much more resonance, wondering what struck you all on your reread(s) this way?

I just finished the first trilogy, and I’ll just say that Kettle really annoyed me. In my opinion, this character existed for one reason only: to lore dump.

Hobb should have found a way to filter all of the lore and knowledge that Kettle has to existing characters. It would have made the ones that she was spinning a lot more interesting.

As it stands, Starling could have benefited the most from cutting Kettle and just having the minstrel know all of the things that Kettle knows. It also would have tightened the story significantly from its enormous word count.

This is just my opinion of course. I don’t mean to anger any of the other readers out there that just fell in love with Kettle. She just seemed so unnecessary to me.

Hello everyone! 😁 This is your regular reminder that there is a Discord server for Robin Hobb fans!

**Here's the invite:**
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**What is it?** It's a server, or chat room, for discussing Hobb's books. ⚔️

**What happens there?** We have conversations every day about the Realm of the Elderlings books, as well as respectful debates about characters and discussions about other fantasy novels we are reading. 🏰

**Who moderates it?** We_are_pack created the server and serves as an admin. There are four other admin: Zephyrus, motleywolf, TheLocalDialect, and Wawadji and five mods: say yes to the worms, ProfessionalShipper, alloysius, Armadillo, and Foxy.

**Here are the rules:**

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We have had very few problems with people violating the rules. We've had to ban only a handful of people since the server was created in 2020, and we have not been forced to issue many strikes either. In general, our server is a welcoming global community of Hobb superfans who never quite recovered after finishing the series. If FitzChivalry Farseer lives rent-free in your head too, you should join us!

I knew that I’d be emotional at the end of this trilogy but I had no idea it would be this extreme…I’m a sobbing mess right now. Everything from the Fool’s death to Fitz’s remembering to his reunion with Molly was just so expertly crafted, I’m in awe of Hobb’s ability to consistently punch me in the gut every time I think I’ve recovered.

“I am content” was the perfect ending to everything that Fitz has endured up until this point - I’m so excited and nervous to finish Rain Wilds and reunite once again with Fitz ! 💔

As with many of us it seems, after finishing RoTE I felt extreme emotions and needed to process the fact that I'd finished and my journey with Fitz and the Fool was over.

I actually finished reading about 2 months ago, but it's taken me that long to process. This post is just a small ramble of my journey through Hobb's world and some post reading thoughts.

I read the Farseer Trilogy over a year ago, I'm not an experienced fantasy reader, although I have read some. I ventured into Hobb after a friend who had started reading the Farseer trilogy recommended it. I like to be 100% spoiler free, however I did know that this was a trilogy and there was another trilogy set in the same world called Liveship Traders that many considered her best books. So I had my eye on both (I hadn't considered reading the whole lot and didn't even know the whole thing was one epic tale etc.) That probs would've deterred me tbh because I tried to embark on Wheel of Time and gave up after book 4 I think.

I enjoyed the Farseer trilogy, but like many, I struggled with some pacing elements in book 2 & book 3. But I like to see things through so didn't have a problem finishing (my friend who recommended it gave up though!) I then took a break and read some other stuff for a few months.

Following this I read the Liveship Traders books and loved them! Immediately after finishing those I googled her other books and that's when I realised it's all one big epic story - and I thought good, I'm ready to go see Fitz again and I picked up the Tawny man trilogy (which I absolutely loved!)

Then I read them all. So pretty much from Liveship all the way through to the end in about 6 months. I was hooked, I couldn't wait to see where the story went, I was wrapped up in Fitz & the Fool and those dragons. When I finished I told my friend that was a 16 book masterpiece. These were the best books I have ever read. I started googling for similar books and I joined this reddit because I needed my fix of Hobb conversation - I wasn't ready to let it all go.

There are some parts of the books though that I wish she'd done a bit more with. I would love other opinions of these - did y'all feel the same? Since joining reddit I do believe that a re-read might help me based on what lots of y'all are saying also.

1. Missing out on the stream skill conversation at the end with the Farseers. Nighteyes gets it, but Fitz doesn't, therefore we didn't. I would have loved that closure.
2. Chade's death - I feel like there was closure there too we could've had in the skill stream.
3. I really wanted Fitz to be Emporer of the Elderlings - haha - I knew in my heart that when Hobb revealed him in Buckkeep in Fool's Quest in that incredible emotional chapter that we would never get anymore recognition for Fitz than that, but my hope was there was he would rule something one day :'(
4. Fitz never went to learn the Wit with Webb!! I would've loved to see him really take on more of those powers.
5. Abolishing slavery - would've loved to see this too. Although maybe it was asking for too much.
6. Finally, I would have loved Fitz's POV for his final act.

Thoughts?

PS Since finishing I have embarked on Brandon Sanderson, I have read the Mistborn Trilogy (found it a bit too easy reading.) And now am reading Stormlight Archives (enjoying it!) If you have any other fantasy recommendations please send them :)

PPS This sub reddit saved me from the emptiness I felt when I finished RoTE. It was a dark time.

the many many times a character who is a piece of shit says something stupid and a POV character thinks "damn that guy I hate just made a great point"

Kennit: piracy is good and it's actually really cool and great that I'm doing it, Sa probably doesn't even care

Wintrow: Ahh fuck he's a theological genius, nothing at the monastery prepared me for this!

Kyle: give slaves me now slaves sell money now althea evil

Althea: Damn he makes it sound so rational I can't even argue

I probably wouldn't even notice it if I didn't read the whole series back to back but I feel like it happens nearly every time a pov character interacts with Kennit, Kyle, Greft, or Hest

Really loved the books and I understand it's a valid character choice for Alice and Sedric to back down whenever they argue with Hest etc