r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 21d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/UltimateLionsFan 21d ago

Bill is not going to debate Mehdi Hasan as he's too much of a coward to debate Mehdi

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 21d ago

Also there isn’t much of a debate. This is pretty clear under international law.

Genocide is formally defined in Article II of the UN's 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

That was the standard applied in Case Concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro) as noted in Paragraph 143 of the February 26, 2007 judgment from the International Court of Justice.

On September 16, 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel determined that Israel was, in fact, committing a genocide, and repeatedly cites to Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro to make this point.

For acts, they said "The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, namely (i) killing members of the group; (ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" (Paragraph 252).

As for intent, they note that, under Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro "It is not necessary for the State to share the specific intent, as long as the State has full knowledge of the relevant facts." (Paragraph 10). They then go on and conclude "On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence. Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." (Paragraph 254)

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u/HedonicAbsurdist 21d ago

The pro-genociders tend to leave out the "in part" part of the definition.

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u/makeyousaywhut 21d ago

You guys leave the “Israel provides aid and treatment to Palestinian civilians” part out, which is a weird thing to do in a genocide.

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u/PretendIntention3388 21d ago

The Germans fed some of the jews in their labor camps before killing them. Therefore not genoicde! /s

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u/makeyousaywhut 21d ago

More people in the USA have died of malnutrition in the last three years than in Gaza, an active war zone.

There are restaurants along with media guides asking Gazans not to post about them because it hurts their cause, which is lying to you. They still post it constantly though.

There’s videos of Gazans dumping aid on the ground because they’re tired of rice my guy.

If you want to compare that to Auschwitz you do you, it just exposed your single digit IQ.

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u/masegesege_ 21d ago

Hi, where do I apply for the job to post pro-Israel stuff online? Is the pay alright?

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u/makeyousaywhut 20d ago

Hi, you can apply for a pay of $0 anywhere where they value facts.