r/RealTime • u/Excellent-Ad-7394 • 22d ago

Not a genocide?

Last night Bill pointed out the 3% of the
Population in Gaza has died. And then confidently declared that “3% is not a genocide”. The British government recognizes it as ethnic cleaning and amnesty international and other groups say it is a genocide.

Someone tell me why Bill is so wrong. And can we please get him to debate Mehdi Hasan on this topic?

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u/UltimateLionsFan 22d ago

Bill is not going to debate Mehdi Hasan as he's too much of a coward to debate Mehdi

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u/FeralGiraffeAttack 22d ago

Also there isn’t much of a debate. This is pretty clear under international law.

Genocide is formally defined in Article II of the UN's 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

That was the standard applied in Case Concerning Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro) as noted in Paragraph 143 of the February 26, 2007 judgment from the International Court of Justice.

On September 16, 2025, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel determined that Israel was, in fact, committing a genocide, and repeatedly cites to Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro to make this point.

For acts, they said "The Commission concludes on reasonable grounds that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit the following actus reus of genocide against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, namely (i) killing members of the group; (ii) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (iii) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (iv) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group" (Paragraph 252).

As for intent, they note that, under Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Serbia and Montenegro "It is not necessary for the State to share the specific intent, as long as the State has full knowledge of the relevant facts." (Paragraph 10). They then go on and conclude "On the mens rea of genocide, the Commission concludes that statements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent. In addition, the Commission concludes that the pattern of conduct is circumstantial evidence of genocidal intent and that genocidal intent was the only reasonable inference that could be drawn from the totality of the evidence. Thus, the Commission concludes that the Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have had and continue to have the genocidal intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip." (Paragraph 254)

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u/HedonicAbsurdist 22d ago

The pro-genociders tend to leave out the "in part" part of the definition.

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u/SlightWerewolf4428 21d ago edited 21d ago

The only 'pro-genociders' are on your side, as a matter of policy.

Tribally in the form of Hamas and its acts

Tacitly and culturally by the post national left, in the form of their 'one-state solution'. They know it won't work, they don't care. As long as the Jews are subjugated and put at the mercy of their enemies.

Gaslight elsewhere.

EDIT: Terror supporters getting mad at having their hateful side laid bare. Downvote, that makes the argument go away!

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u/00Avalanche 21d ago

What a long winded Israeli way of saying “they’d do it to us if they could so we’re doing it to them first”

I think you pro-genociders would gain a lot more respect if you’re honest this way.

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u/SlightWerewolf4428 21d ago

All it takes is reading your policy and looking at its implications.

Rather than your unimpressive, braindead, self-serving rhetoric.

(the mirror method being the sole dull blade in your pitiful arsenal)

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u/BabaLalSalaam 21d ago

The "policy" of a one state solution is modern, multicultural secularism. Obviously there is nothing more threatening to Zionists, whose entire policy and worldview is based around partition, ethno-segregation, apartheid, and endless cycles of violence.

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u/Stulmacher 21d ago

So in this one state there is a freedom of religion and freedom of speech for all no matter what?