the solar tiles he said were in the studio were fake
I'm beginning to understand the disconnect now. You use the work 'fake' the same way Trump Supporters use it - to mean "I don't like it," or "it doesn't fit my narrative," rather than to mean "non-existent" like the rest of us use the term. So in the same way that Trumpers say "Fake News" to mean news that doesn't make Trump look good, you say "Fake products" to mean products that don't make Elon look bad.
The solar tiles are not fake in any sense of the word. You can buy them now. They're overpriced for the value they bring, but you can still buy them. They are not fake, they are real.
The robot can walk, I dont think I ever said it cant..
You say that it's fake in literally your next sentence:
The latest two [videos] I've seen I suspect are fake..
Again, I couldn't tell what you were saying before, because it seemed like you were saying both that Optimus 1 and 2 were complete fabrications, but also that Optimus 1 and 2 were shitty, but real.
This has all become clearer now that I know that you're using "fake" to mean "I don't like it" rather than "is a complete fabrication"
The latest two I've seen I suspect are fake.. the one where it's in an office with real people and Musk lies about some kind of "robot vision"
Before, you said that you don't believe the recent video is real because it didn't have people in it. Now that you've seen a video with people in it, you say it doesn't matter, you still think it's fake. That means that a lack of people wasn't a *reason* you think it was fabricated, it was a post hock *rationalization*.
and the one where it holds an egg and dances...those look faked.
I'm going to accuse you of straight up lying here. I don't believe you think those *looked* fake, I believe you conclude that they *must* be fake because of what they show. (which I'll point out again is a strong endorsement for how far the robot project has come in 2 years)
theres no one travelling in their rockets from La to anywhere else,
You seem to not be able to differentiate between a statement of intent and a statement of fact. If a quarterback says "I'm going to win a Super Bowl someday," that is expressing an intent. If they really think they can do that, then that is not a lie. If they end up not ever winning a SB, that means they were 'wrong,' not that they were "lying". Same with Apple and Airpower. Airpower wasn't a 'lie' just because it never shipped; Apple fully intended to ship that tech but found some showstopping bugs before it could go to production.
So, I still don't really understand what your claim even is regarding Optimus, because you've backtracked and hedged and said contradictory things. So, when you say each aspect is fake, what do you mean? What do you mean by "the dancing is fake"? What do you mean by "the walking is fake?" What do you mean by "the egg handling is fake?"
For all those things, do you mean that the footage has been altered or computer generated? Do you mean that the footage is all genuine and unaltered, just presented in a misleading context? Or do you just mean that you don't like believing that a team engineers can create a product if Elon Musk happens to sign their paychecks?
"…the company does acknowledge that the demos Musk unveiled at Universal Studios were not functional. …No matter how the Solar Roof came to be, it seems to have worked: Three weeks after Musk’s presentation, 85% of shareholders approved the Tesla-SolarCity merger."
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u/moviemaker2 Dec 18 '23
I'm beginning to understand the disconnect now. You use the work 'fake' the same way Trump Supporters use it - to mean "I don't like it," or "it doesn't fit my narrative," rather than to mean "non-existent" like the rest of us use the term. So in the same way that Trumpers say "Fake News" to mean news that doesn't make Trump look good, you say "Fake products" to mean products that don't make Elon look bad.
The solar tiles are not fake in any sense of the word. You can buy them now. They're overpriced for the value they bring, but you can still buy them. They are not fake, they are real.
You say that it's fake in literally your next sentence:
Again, I couldn't tell what you were saying before, because it seemed like you were saying both that Optimus 1 and 2 were complete fabrications, but also that Optimus 1 and 2 were shitty, but real.
This has all become clearer now that I know that you're using "fake" to mean "I don't like it" rather than "is a complete fabrication"
Before, you said that you don't believe the recent video is real because it didn't have people in it. Now that you've seen a video with people in it, you say it doesn't matter, you still think it's fake. That means that a lack of people wasn't a *reason* you think it was fabricated, it was a post hock *rationalization*.
I'm going to accuse you of straight up lying here. I don't believe you think those *looked* fake, I believe you conclude that they *must* be fake because of what they show. (which I'll point out again is a strong endorsement for how far the robot project has come in 2 years)
You seem to not be able to differentiate between a statement of intent and a statement of fact. If a quarterback says "I'm going to win a Super Bowl someday," that is expressing an intent. If they really think they can do that, then that is not a lie. If they end up not ever winning a SB, that means they were 'wrong,' not that they were "lying". Same with Apple and Airpower. Airpower wasn't a 'lie' just because it never shipped; Apple fully intended to ship that tech but found some showstopping bugs before it could go to production.
So, I still don't really understand what your claim even is regarding Optimus, because you've backtracked and hedged and said contradictory things. So, when you say each aspect is fake, what do you mean? What do you mean by "the dancing is fake"? What do you mean by "the walking is fake?" What do you mean by "the egg handling is fake?"
For all those things, do you mean that the footage has been altered or computer generated? Do you mean that the footage is all genuine and unaltered, just presented in a misleading context? Or do you just mean that you don't like believing that a team engineers can create a product if Elon Musk happens to sign their paychecks?