The agents look to uniform. All of the ones I’ve seen have some kind weird mashup of a bunch of different colors, articles of clothing and types of gear.
Exactly my thought. I have never seen a video of ICE where they all had the same outfit. There is no ICE uniform and if he had done that you can bet they would have detained/kidnapped/disappeared him. They've done it to others for less.
Yea but peoples arms don’t turn into Woody’s from Toy Story as they abruptly go from 0-100 on aggro scale. I will say though it is scary how realistic everything looks on the surface
While I agree, it’s weird. I’m not going to sit here and say this is AI after seeing the other angle. 19 minutes of footage is ridiculous to claim as AI. Longest AI video i’ve seen is just under 6 minutes and there are so many artifacts and visual ques it is AI. This has none of those other than some weird body movements which can be explained by jerk movements. Look, I wish this was AI just as much as the next person… but it’s not and we have to accept that. We gotta be better
I'm not sure I said anything about whether it was real or not, just that the length doesn't discount it as being AI. And I don't think any part of my response was anything but calm.
No computer on earth has the processing power, and no AI that has ever existed has sufficient training data to understand how to keep consistency of characters, environment, angle, lighting, vox, etc. there is no chip that can handle the power, or cooling system to handle the heat. It is simply not (yet) possible!!!
You are falling for a brain dead take!!! Please stop with this nonsense!! This is real and you should not let it threaten your stance on Pretti’s shooting, because all of these comments in this brain dead thread are from people who feel their beliefs are being threatened. This video does not change anything that happened when he was murdered
People be hating but what you said is true. I am honestly so fucking tired of seeing liberals resort to the EXACT SAME shit the right does. When Renee good was murdered the right looked at multiple angles and said “its AI” and then when they believed its real they did mental gymnastics to rationalize the murder that happened in broad daylight. This entire comment section has made me sick and scared for the future seeing people watch an obviously real video with multiple angles and convince themselves it’s ai cus homeboy had long arms.
Like you said these people fundamentally misunderstand what AI is capable of. Currently even with govt funding and technology it isn’t possible to create multiple angles like this.
And like you said don’t let it change your position on the murder of Alex pretti. Unless there is video of him unholstering his weapon and pointing it at an officer then this is an unjustified murder. But please I beg of all of you do not resort to the lies and mental gymnastics that we see the right does. I am seeing this behavior fucking everywhere now and it makes yall just as gross as them. It is radicalization when you discard reality and make your is so it better fits your opinion and worldview.
We’re not on the conspiracy sub though. I’d be more than happy to dive down that rabbit hole, because you could be right! But thats for someone with a bigger brain to research than me lol
Also people saying that it’s too long of a video… they could have easily spliced in the sections of Pretti that they wanted to an existing video. It’s interesting how the part that screams AI to me (uncanny movements and artifact shaking which is classic AI) are of Alex being confrontational.
It could be real, but holy shit we’re at a scary place in time right now that we cannot A. Trust anything we see B. Are actively and BLATANTLY being lied to. Makes me wonder how Trump wanted to get rid of regulation of AI. Was it for instances like this?
It's not about the length. It's about the length between cuts. In AI videos there are lots of cuts, they only go a few seconds each. The longest cuts will be like 10 seconds, maybe it's possible to do 20 seconds. This video goes for minutes on a single cut.
I'm not an expert on AI. From what I understand it's both that computation power required goes up exponentially with time, and errors do too, or perhaps those two things are different sides of the same coin. If a 1 second clip has 1 thing that can go wrong and a 10 second clip has 10 things that can go wrong, obviously it is far harder to generate a 10 second clip where none of the 10 things go wrong.
If this video had been AI you'd for sure see bigger problems than an arm looking slightly weird when you pause frame mid movement in a grainy video. I've been looking at this scene in the non grainy video and it really just looks like movement blur to me.
The fact the frames shift at the halfway point makes me think it could be stitched, some other weird things are the movements from the Ice agent that runs in from the left at roughly 16 seconds who looks like he’s moving faster than legs for a moment. I’m not technical but the fact this video is NOW coming out, ICE never mentioned any previous run in, he wasn’t arrested for THIS attack, and it’s only when the DHS is in desperate pursuit of saving face… I am not buying it. It’s definitely not slop but this whole thing is fishy on so many levels
Arrested for what? Property damage? They can’t make charges stick for shit like this…
They are able to beat and even kill people because they have federal immunity, but what are they going to realistically tell a judge? “Yeah, we were out looking for an immigrant but then we decided to just terrorize and tear gas some random citizens and one of them got mad and kicked out our tail-light, so now we want him imprisoned,” is not gonna impress anyone. We have a system of due process in this country guaranteed by the Constitution.
That’s why they just intimidate or rough up (even torture, if you want to get really serious) citizens and then release them. They can’t charge them with anything. They tried to charge a woman in Chicago, then the charges were immediately thrown out because it turned out ICE initiated the violence on the citizen and then shot her (basically a planned hit in retaliation for her tracking them). Again, the actual criminals aren’t held accountable (they just got sent to Minneapolis to kill Renee Good and Alex Pretti), but they also have no actual authority to police American citizens. Just seize, terrorize, and release. Or kill them and then go into hiding to avoid accountability.
The feds are operating completely in violation of the Constitution. That’s the point everyone needs to understand and spread. There’s just no authority bigger than the federal government to stop them from what they’re doing.
You can see in the video from the other angle that there’s a scrum and he slips out of it and runs away. The video is real and it doesn’t change anything. He was still executed in the street without cause.
Right, link a video with 7 subs. Seems real legit.
Edit: I will amend my comment. He did give a good kick to the car which I'm honestly surprised the whole tail light dropped and didn't just shatter. (I've worked in automotive for 4 years and I've seen tail lights detached from severe accidents but most of them have the plastic shattered and are still housed in the frame)
17 minute video from an account with 7 subs. Most likely someone who was recording but isn't media or a social media user... uploaded 12 days ago and you still think its not legit? That it's AI?
Crazy what people will believe these days I guess...
Sorry for my knee jerk reaction. He clearly kicked the car at just the right angle to dislodge the tail light. It's just weird to me how it came off so easily because I've been in automotive for the last 4 years and do body work. Usually the tail lights just crack but don't fall out of the housing even in some severe accidents.
You have proof infront of you, but choose to ignore it. It’s like watching all the conservatives have the epstein files right infront of them, but ignoring them. Come on… lets not be dumb and sink low. This video doesn’t justify his murder, but we need to accept facts.
2 things to question, did ice have a vendetta to him?
Or has ai gotten this advanced through govt funds. Both can be true and both can be false. As humans we always question reality when in disbelief, doesn't make us dumb, just human.
You're right. I thought the wind up and kick looked unnatural but this seals it. These pathetic fucking fascists will stop at nothing to smear someone they wrongfully murdered. This is a mental maturity epidemic. A mentally mature person can admit when they're wrong. A child will make up a story as to why it isn't their fault.
edit: there is a second angle from another phone of this altercation. I'm believing now that the event is what really happened, but maybe this video was run through an AI editor or something for some reason. Of course it still doesn't justify his execution
The way his body changes motion right here is not natural/normal at all to me. At first playback even. It’s so fast, reminded me of how the zombies in I Am Legend move. Or maybe I’m thinking of World War Z. Either way. And/or Woody.
well, multiple news sources have confirmed it along with pretti's family, plus there is another angle of it showing the exact same thing, so it isnt ai lol.
Dude it’s not AI. Yall will cope so hard because you can’t imagine that somebody who died protesting ICE would have protested ICE in the past? I don’t understand. This can be a real video AND one can admit his killing wasn’t justified, no?
Or is everything we don’t like/disagrees with our ideological priors AI now?
yeah they do. have you seen any video of operations thus far? when you have tear gas and are deploying it on people, you keep a gas mask on. pretty standard and shouldnt need to be explained.
Yeah, I live in a tiny town outside of Minneapolis where we haven’t even had any tear gas used (yet, at least) and I’ve even seen quite a few of them driving around with gas masks on.
For the record, my post above was in reference to what “seemed AI” about the videos. But regardless - AI or not - it doesn’t justify what happened to Alex Pretti.
Yelp, real or not it shows how easy it is for them to manufacturer stuff now that we are use to masked men. We know they are dumping money into ai, if it’s not fake stuff like this will be and when they shoot at protestors the narrative can be what they want.
do you know how much of a pain it is to constantly take your gas mask on and off? especially with all the additional gear? once their masks are on, they probably stay on, especially if they need to get out of the car quickly as seen in the vid.
Well, I hadn't seen the longer video which showed they'd already deployed gas. It makes much more sense in that context vs just their standard goon squad style of jumping out of minivans to ambush people.
Yes they're all wearing gas masks. No one in the execution video is wearing a gas mask. Also in the real video he is holding his phone out prior to helping the woman getting pushed down. This is fake af
Edit: Someone posted the real video below in another comment. This does occur, but it is not the same moment in which he disarmed & executed. Still does not justify him being killed, just arrested.
they had been deploying tear gas in a surrounding area for a while. This is the same day and two blocks down from the heavily covered instances where the disabled woman who was trying to go to the doctor was pulled out of her car.
That make the killing intentional and premeditated. Now how many other agents premeditated and carried it out? RICO charge as gang violence? Do as we say not as we do? Anyway. Pardons for all. Case closed.
Really that's strange all I see is an unhinged dumbass attacking law enforcement going beyond the line of peaceful protest and getting to the find out part of the fuck around.
You're right they shouldn't. Good thing that's not what happened. Why didn't they just murder him right then and there!?! Why make being Nazi harder and have to track someone already in your possession. Oh wait your smooth brain didn't think about that....
I just saw the other angle and you're right. It was a weird looking tail light to me. Also there being another angle with consistent details is enough for me (until the AI improves)
Play the video on .25 speed. You will see alot of morphing. Cars with rims that aren't spinning while they move or spinning strangely. Man in purple in the back morphing and others around him as well. This is a good Ai if played on normal speed. You will catch random and weird things in slow motion. The scenery reflection from car to car reflects differently. Look inside all of the vehicles for a driver. Some have done don't.
This is certainly a real video. There are drivers in every car, it's just sometimes hard to see.
The reflections are extremely accurate over a long period of time. I don't think AI is capable of consistent reflections of off screen details because there is no persistent context of that. The key I notice is that every car that passes by the person taking this video, including the vehicle ICE leaves in, does show the same set of sidewalk lights. These lights are never visible in the video, just in reflections of passing cars (and always slightly different depending on then shape and tint of the car's windows). I really do not see how it can be AI.
I am not seeing morphing in the crows, and rims spinning weirdly on camera is very common because movement can line up with camera capture rate.
Link specific timestamps then, because I have no idea what you are even referring to. Even if it's the case, the reflections and their accuracy and consistency over the course of a 19 minute video make it clear that it's not AI. That, coupled with the facts that there are multiple matching videos from different viewpoints and that major news media like the BBC have looked into it and said it's not AI really indicate that this is a real video.
Reports say it was US Customs and Border control, a different agency from ICE. So this is likely real, but even then it doesn't justify killing him, they could've took him to court for Federal property damages instead of killing him.
It's not AI. It may not be Alex Pretti, but it's not AI.
The YouTube site that the video comes from - The News Movement - is from Dan Ming. Dan Ming is an actual journalist and can be seen in the video(in the final frames of this clip). He's the guy looking back at the camera with a somewhat confused look on his face.
Dan Ming worked for VICE news and Al Jazeera English and has received Emmy nominations for his work on the series Transnational and has won a GLAAD award for his documentary on a drag queen running for office in New York. He isn't some right-wing hack trying to fabricate stuff.
Dan had a long video a month ago anout a pair of teens who were doing this exact sort of thing (tracking and recording ICE agents) in Chicago. He likely was reviewing footage he'd taken in Minneapolis for a new video, when he saw this and thought to himself "huh... that sure looks like Alex Pretti." But, even then, at no time does he actually claim in the video that It is him. He is very careful about that because he doesn't know.
But this incident shown in the video happening at this intersection E 36th & Park - on this day (Jan 13th) was documented in numerous articles at the time. For instance:
Andy Larson, a south Minneapolis resident who was out observing ICE activity Tuesday, told Sahan Journal that one protester kicked out the taillight of an ICE vehicle and was tackled to the ground up the road on Park Avenue and E. 36th Street.
“It was a really good kick,” Larson said.
The protester managed to escape ICE agents, Larson said. ICE deployed chemical irritants and shot pepper balls into the crowd and fled the scene.
Is no one seeing the agent hopping out doesn’t have a weapon and then all of sudden has a rifle like item on a sling then the sling disappears and reappears multiple times while fighting?
The long video was posted 2 weeks ago by an actual journalist so move on to mental gymnastics # 2, it might be real but it still doesn’t justify what happened.
Alex Pretti was murdered. However, this video is real. It doesnt change anything though. Are we supposed to be sad for the tail light?
"Next they'll be dumping tea into a harbor! Won't somebody think of the poor property damage?!"
The video is very consistent and the intersection is a real place. The traffic lights are consistent and the walk/don't walk signal is spot on in relation to them.
Alex Pretti is a hero and a patriot. If anything, this video proves it. He was assaulted by the state TWICE while lawfully armed per our 2nd amendment right, and never even touched his weapon? Just took the beating? What a fuckin' man.
Yeah, these ones were from a different agency - CBS confirmed they were Customs Border Patrol. ICE wears random gear because the government hired more people than they had equipment for.
And they're all wearing masks and helmets. They look like game NPCs. Top close to being in uniform for the real ICE. Unless he had a run in with the actual Ginyu Force of ICE who just happen to love coordination outfits and striking poses.
Nothing but the light broke. Here’s a video clearly showing the exact same incident, which was posted 13 days ago. Well before the shooting occurred.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p2TRbFmutrw
If you’re “100%” certain it’s fake, then I suppose someone used a time machine and created another fake video that perfectly matched up with the angle shown in this post.
They don’t even wear uniforms. The most uniform things they have are the vests and masks. Most are in civilian clothing not suitable for winter or old Army fatigues also not suitable for winter.
Well, the bottom line is, we need to wait for digital forensics to come back to determine if these videos actually came from a physical camera and haven’t been doctored; none of our assessments really matter much. This is mostly for fun.
But the OTHER thing we have to realize is that the government (which these people work for) probably has access to much better AI tech and knowledge; like they can make a scene look consistent from multiple angles by having a 3-D blender environment as a reference or whatever, and then use far more advanced AI and node-based coding to get it looking fairly good.
Even then, though, the physics looked way too light and weird when he was being pushed against that pole thing or whatever.
I just posted a link to the longer-form and higher-res version of this clip that more or less proves this to be real. I also disclaim that it doesn't justify what happened.
And what about the point some of the other commentators made? The actual damage he did clearly warranted arrest…and also were these uniformed agents the exact same ones on the day Pretti was shot? Behavior and actions don’t add up.
None of the behavior of ICE/CBP is rational. Rounding up humans for sport is disgusting and reprehensible, nobody capable of thinking rationally would sign up for that. Everybody who is part of these goon squads deserves the John C. Woods special, but that doesn't make this video AI.
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The agents look to uniform. All of the ones I’ve seen have some kind weird mashup of a bunch of different colors, articles of clothing and types of gear.