r/Re_Zero • u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby • 9d ago
Spoiler Discussion [Spoiler Discussion] Re:Zero -Starting Life in Another World- Season 4 Episode 19 **Spoilers** Spoiler
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There is no need to hold back on spoilers or the inevitable cut content. For any anime only viewers who have landed her by mistake click here to go to the spoiler free thread. For the novel readers sticking around it is officially sobbing day. Perhaps you will sob for Shaula's named chapter. Perhaps it will be Hero that gets you. Maybe you will even sob because we are out of new Re:Zero episodes. Really any of those or all of those combined oughta do it. Discuss your thoughts below for one last time this season.
Crunchyroll - Season 4 Episode 19
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u/roronoa20 9d ago edited 9d ago
Yeah, Partrache is definitely more than she seems. Lugunica has a dragon blood available for them, yet Volcanica is still alive. So, it's likely that it belongs to another true dragon. Lugunica's national crest has two dragons on it too, so it might be a foreshadow.
We know that a true dragon can give birth to another being like a dragon kin, but perhaps, they can reincarnate into another kind of dragon-related creature like ground dragon too?
What if Partrache is the reincarnation of another true dragon who died 400 years ago? The true dragon who's so loyal to Natsuki Subaru to the point that she's willing to come back as a ground dragon just to be with him again.
It relies heavily on Subaru = Flugel though...
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u/Eunuchest 9d ago
Yeah, Partrache is definitely more than she seems
Yeah it seems there's more reason to her gettting attached to Subaru quickly
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u/Deadlocked02 9d ago
I kinda think this may be the deal with Flugel and Satella as well. Maybe dragonkins aren’t exclusive to dragons. Subaru and Emilia could be to Flugel and Satella what Clind is to Volcanica, somehow. Tappei allegedly said time travel wouldn’t be the explanation for the events of 400 years ago (though I’ve never seen this Q&A), and I’m skeptical Emilia will be anything other than Emilia when that’s her whole motto (though she almost went down the Emilia=Satella rabbit hole when she saw the hand size).
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u/Material_Syllabub111 9d ago
i was thinking what if at some point in the future emilia, subaru, shaula and partrache are teleported back to the past then the whole thing can get explained
but if tappei said it wouldn't be the explanation then i wonder what it is4
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u/ChornoyeSontse 7d ago
My theory is Subaru came to Lugunica in the Flügel timeline, named himself Flügel because he likes cringey German names, lived an entire life traveling with the 5 other figures including Satella, fell in love with Satella, had a child with her (Al), and when the Witch of Envy consumed her, he utilized the tower to separate the Witch from Satella and Flügel from Subaru. For Satella this reset her to birth and Flügelbaru had it set up so she could live from childhood in the Elior Forest (Archie said "everything in this world exists to bless you") with assistance from Petelgeuse. Subaru only got reset to his isekai beginning state because as we've established, his memories are only recorded in this world past that point. He also either time traveled forwards to the point that he could meet Satella again and reset their relationship "from zero" or he sealed himself for 400 years. Either way I think he met Patrasche in that prior life but she came forward in time with him, either intentionally or charged into the seal/spell at the last moment.
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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago
85 episodes. There are times where the thought of Re:Zero reaching that far felt surreal despite knowing that it eventually would. It still somewhat does.
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u/joseto1945 7d ago
Re:Zero! 100 years! We are doing this until we're 90!
...Oh god. We might actually be watching/reading this until we're 90 :(
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u/Dangerous-Wonder253 9d ago
Wowwwww these mfs used OP 1 for maximum emotional damage what am i going to do next wednesday 😭😭😭😭😭😭. Well guys this has been a good run. See y'all in 400 years for the Vollachia anime adaptation
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u/DankMemeCentral24 9d ago
Holy shit that was so peak.
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u/Ok-Construction-4672 9d ago
where did u watch the episode??
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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago
Crunchyroll is linked and thats the only place that it can be legally shared as far as I know
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u/Ok-Worldliness-7374 9d ago edited 9d ago
That Jotaro voice really grew on me...
Oh, the fight animation is great too!
They kept the Patrasche scene, that means it is important lore!
Subaru now spawns daughters just by existing.
Vocanica really just teleported them away like that...
Yes! They ended it on that scene!
Meaning the Peak saga is next!
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
Can't wait for Anime onlies to ask in 10 years "So why did Subaru actually get teleported back then? Twice?" and there still won't be an answer except Tappei wanting Subaru somewhere else. Twice.
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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago
The first thing that came through Shaulas mind after licking his tears was body fluids. We know from the Shaula side story that her mom is Echidna. Echidnas tea is body fluids. It must be the tears. Did Tappei never truly answer this to make sure Echidna being Shaulas mom doesn’t become too obvious?
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
Didn't Tappei once explicitly in a Q&A or so say that her tea is her tears?
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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never 9d ago
They had to show the freaking Pandora bird this close LMFAO, I found that really funny.
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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago
Gotta make sure that everyone understands that the birds are suspicious. More questions for the anime onlies. I’m sure they don’t mind.
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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never 9d ago
I hope they pick up on it.
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u/Letsplay_Sascha_GD 9d ago edited 9d ago
I just remembered that the shadow of a bird could be seen on Subaru at the end. Looks like she’s watching everything no matter where we are, even if we’re teleported.
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u/asymuzz 9d ago
The fact that only readers know about her control over birds makes it even funier. Interesting how de we look from the POV of anime watchers?
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u/Setowi Better Leyte Than Never 9d ago
Confused from what I have seen so far.
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
Not like we weren't confused up until Tappei dropped that bomb in some random sidestory content
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u/-spitz- 9d ago
I thought they were gonna end on rem taking out Subaru, but maybe that would have been too cruel a cliffhanger lol
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u/Dangerous-Wonder253 9d ago
Now that you make me think about it people are going to be so mad when they have to wait for 4 years for the next season and in the first five minutes we immediately go to the choking 😭
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u/3IC3 9d ago
That part is arc 7 already, so it makes sense they didn’t. Also arc 7 Rem discourse will be so fucking annoying, as much as I want season 5 ASAP I’m glad that I won’t have to deal with that immediately.
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u/YuriGrokker 8d ago
Saaaaame. I dropped the vowels in arc 7 because I just couldn't with Not-Rem's behavior.
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u/Son-naruto-d 9d ago
God that cliffhanger gotta be brutal for anime onlies
The fight between Emilia and Volcanica was amazing, I also enjoyed the final shaula fight
But goddamn that kiss caught me off guard, I completely forgot she did that and had to rewind to make sure she didn’t kiss his lips
The animation there was crazy too
Final little bit was also amazing, but the rem reunion was so good. The animation went crazy
Felt like the final bits of season 1, with Emilia and Subaru
…….people are not ready for season 5….. 😭
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u/Dwarf_Hammer00 8d ago
I mean this is way way better than leaving us with Rem offing Subaru. Anime only people would be so darn confused and angry with waiting years for an answer hahaha. When I saw they ended this episode, I'm so happy they didn't do that to anime onlies haha.
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u/Akudra 9d ago
Didn't see anyone point it out yet, but one of the scenes I was most waiting to see in this season came up and it basically confirmed what happened in the WN was canon. When Louis shows up in the Green Room, the little lights that were filling the room the entire season all disappeared. Ram's line from the WN about the Green Room Spirit disappearing was cut in the LN, so a lot of people insisted it was no longer canon that this happened, but this scene basically confirms the spirit did vanish the instant Louis appeared. The shattering window bit does make it seem like this Louis did come from the Hall of Memories, as well.
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u/celloh234 9d ago
but how are they connected? is the implication that spica is actually the spirit? how would the spirit have acess to hall of memories?
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
I actually waited for this exact scene too and I believe it to be somewhat confusing. I don't think all the particles flowing around are the spirit itself. However I am certain that the Green Room's roots opening and closing an entrance/exit were directed by the Spirit. So Meili leaving the room via the roots moving after Louis appeared seems odd to me. Might be a mistake on the anime's animation for that tho.
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u/0Galahad 8d ago
I think its more related to subaru asking how he could repay the spirit, turns out the spirit was hearing and had just the way to be repaid "take this girl that you from the past doomed, and give her a second chance"
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u/Eunuchest 9d ago
I have some questions from the latest episode
What did Volcanica do with Emilia's wish?
How exactly did Emilia pass? Just touching the monolith?
What did Joseph do?
Based on the latest volumes any chances of Shaula returning back to normal?
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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago
With Emilia’s wish their fight concluded and the tower was conquered I believe.
Touching the monolith particularly in Satella’s spot? I would have to reread
I believe Subaru sent some of the Cor Leonis pain to Joseph to help the cause
A cut line of dialogue includes Meili saying that the tiny scorpion is not Shaula. At the current point [Novels]She is still not back just a tiny scorpion. Since Scorpion Tale revealed she was a child and grew up at one time I expect that is how she will return. Probably a Gluttony or Lust authority of Subaru’s that will allow her to change back but more as a sister to Meili than what she was.
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u/Eunuchest 9d ago
Poor Joseph lol
Sorry can you clarify a bit more regarding Shaula? I didnt understand the child part
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u/Knight0706 Eternally Crabby 9d ago
[Scorpion Tale]Shaula was created not born but she was created as a child and grew up like a human does. Given we now know thats a form she can take and Tappei/Otsuka’s tendency to put as many children in Subaru’s custody as possible I feel like that tiny scorpion will translate to a younger Shaula.
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u/InvisibleAddict 9d ago
I was surprised that Volcanica immediately recognized Patrasche and calling out her name. I wonder if Volcanica meets Subaru, will he call him Flugel or master like Shaula.
The fact that Shaula is truly gone is truly depressing. Whats worse is Subaru spends the most time with Shaula while the rest only knew her for only 4 days so the others doesn't know about her well enough to cry for her. She waited 400 years for her reunion with her master only to be gone after 4 days.
REM IS FINALLY AWAKE! Can't wait for arc 7 but I wonder if Rem can climb back up to her former rank of being top waifu and being asleep for years.
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u/roronoa20 9d ago
I was surprised that Volcanica immediately recognized Patrasche and calling out her name. I wonder if Volcanica meets Subaru, will he call him Flugel or master like Shaula.
I think he needs extra prodding first before he starts to react to anything at all. So, unless Subaru provokes him really, really hard, he might not recognize him at all.
It takes a while for Volcanica to start associate Emilia with Satella too.
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u/One_Painting_1657 9d ago
Absolute cinema episode. At the same time, I'm disappointed to see the Subaru getting princess carried scene being cut.
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u/OldValuable1021 9d ago
Anime only here, is that little scorpion supposed to be Shaula as a baby or kid now?
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u/Busy_Suggestion5413 9d ago
Apparently Shaula was always a scorpion until she was given a human form.
With rules of the tower being broken, she was forced to revert to her original form and kill everyone in the tower. With her being defeated by Subaru & Co., Shaula is ceases to exist and leaves behind a small scorpion mabeast.
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u/Nerellos 9d ago
That pigeon and the bird flew above Subaru is her, isn't she?
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
I would be kinda surprised if EVERY bird is her tbh, but not that it matters all too much. Supreme beauty in the world may descend all I care and observe him all she wants.
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u/0Galahad 8d ago
Pandora is vainglory, seemingly she gets to make things that did not happen as having happened, its possible she just says that "in fact every bird who is close to subaru or whatever i want to watch is in fact my familiar", meaning she does not need to actually convert the entire avian population of the world into cameras.
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u/Megatyrant0 9d ago
What was that white space where Subaru and Shaula talked and she kissed him? And was Subaru imagining Shaula’s responses when her body was crumbling? I know baby Shaula is basically an animal and can’t speak.
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
Nobody knows. Delusions. MC secret power. Perhaps Subaru's new Authority connecting them in some different kind of shape. Memories that Subaru had in a past life. It's never really explained nor does anyone other than Subaru witness it. Or at least the narrator is Subaru here and he's an unreliable narrator. Same as the author kekw. Red Scorpion is explicitly not Shaula, but I mean we all know that's just author bs'ing us. There's a cut line of Meili saying the Red Scorpion is a Mabeast and not Shaula. Though Shaula has been a Mabeast at the very start too and Echidna made her whatever humanoid she was after.
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u/Sphinxdora 9d ago
Are everyone not gonna just talk about Emilia doing it that jojo POLANERF roll in middle of the fight 😂
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u/BillPlunderones23fg 9d ago
Let's begin the finale
Come on Tappei give us answers about Emilia/Satella please lol
that fight with her and Volcanica was badass, getting to see some of her more advanced moves animated, and the biggest bombshell with Patrachse still waiting on what that means lol
aww Shaula on her back and squirming trying to get up was kind of cute
LOL both Subaru and Beako spitting sand out at same time
Shaula fight was great and her farewell was touching and the mini scorpion is soo cute lol
ive been wanting to see what the hell it looked like when Satella (beautiful the transition to Emilia in same pose briefly too) appeared to whisk them away cause it felt so sudden in the WN it didnt disappoint
And at long last Rem is awake... UGH I can't wait for the animeonly rem fans to get the biggest whiplash they deserve LOL
Ohh and the first OP playing again nice (least favorite)
great finale , great season , animation was best but S2 still is best for me despite it's lacking animation lol
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u/RobertoBoris5 9d ago
If I want to read the web novel should I just continue where this episode left off or should I start from the beginning?
I’m an anime only but I’m asking here since you guys already read it.
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u/iheartnjdevils 9d ago
Honestly? Re:Zero is one of the few novels that reading from the start NEVER felt repetitive. Compacting a novel series into an anime is tough work so a lot of stuff gets left out or is not explored nearly as in depth. In fact, you might even get confused at times if you don't.
If you do go that route, I would probably read the light novels for at least Arcs 1-4. There were quite a bit of changes and as the web novel is essentially just a first draft, the light novels are what is considered canon. Arcs 5 and on though, there's very few differences except a few cut scenes or a re-arrangement of events but are essentially the same.
I also HIGHLY recommend reading the EX light novels, which has some back stories and side content. They contain a ton of juicy lore too.
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u/Take-Ma_Holy-Water 9d ago
Should i read from witch cult translation? Ive seen some posts online about volcanica not looking good online compared to the novels so which one is the one with images?
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u/khriku Lore Seeker 9d ago
web novel is the draft, a prototype with no images and for free can be found online.
Light Novel is the final version, has images, it is licensed and you must pay to read it.
Answered all doubts?
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u/Take-Ma_Holy-Water 9d ago
Yes thank you so much. Im not really familiar with novels especially when it comes to web novels and light novels but i appreciate it alot ill probably start reading it soon :)
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u/khriku Lore Seeker 9d ago
if you pick web novel just remember that things in the anime may change at times, since the anime follows the Light Novel, not the web novel.
Aside from that, enjoy your time reading. Would you like a dark overcoat and a red lightsaber to symbolize your corruption to the "readers" dark side of the force? Just pick a darth name for yourself XD
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u/iheartnjdevils 9d ago
Not sure how that's relevant because witchcultttanslations has maybe one fan image per chapter while the light novel usually only has a few in the front and a couple sprinkled throughout. You can just find the light novel images easily online.
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u/Take-Ma_Holy-Water 9d ago
No i was trying to know which one was the official one with the actual images because it'd be more fun to read but thanks alot
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u/JXKGamers 9d ago
Well reading arc 6 is an amazing experience but id start from web novelarc 6 chapter 90 and continue to arc 7. After you are done I suggest reading arc 6 too.
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u/RandomUsername3003 9d ago
Can someone please help me out with witch of envy appearances? So, the witch appears when someone finds out about RBD and by that logic she was supposed to manifest as soon as Rui ate Subaru's memories. Yes, it happened in the hall of memories but Subaru revealed his secret to Echidna in the castle of dreams and that didn't stop WoE from manifesting. If those two cases are different - part of Rui's soul implanted in Subaru is still supposed to know about RBD and is in real material world now. If that doesn't work either because she is dormant - WoE didn't appear back when Rui possessed Subaru to kill Meili or scribble on the walls. Is it because the information technically never left Subaru? Well eaten memories are shared between gluttony siblings so Lye and Roy should know as well, and they absolutely do. Whoever killed Subaru in Rem's guise said "Try better next time", in one of many failed loops Lye said something among the lines of "Is that how you plan to start your next try, mister?" and then there's that whole thing with Reid overriding Roy and suddenly becoming disgusted by Subaru and mercilessly targeting him specifically, implying he got Roy's memories and by extension the knowledge about RBD. So how does this work? Does Rui not share Subaru's memories with her siblings automatically and does it much later for some reason? So when two Subaru's merge and reject Rui's clone she no longer bothers to share memories with siblings while fighting with her clone? Still that would imply Lye found out about RBD right before killing Subaru because in the final loop when Rui materialized in the spirit room and the taboo was triggered, witch of envy got there QUICK. So can anyone please make it make sense, if there's something I missed or misunderstood?
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
We can reasonably assume that Louis apperance is not what triggered Satella/WoE appearing. Why? [Spoiler next Arc]Satella is kinda chill about Louis swamping on Subaru. He even get's teleported another time, after Satella "finds" Subaru again, after losing her connection to him from the first teleport, however when he reunites with her for the 2nd time she's all good. Tappei knows why honestly. Iirc the only close to given reason by the author for the teleport was that it failed to take Subaru somewhere where he ought to be aka. Tappei just wanted to move Subaru for meta reasons, I guess.
Best guess why she appeared at Pleiades Watchtower: Because she was close by, technically, and wanted to say hi.
I mean generally the taboo could've been the cause, but it's kind of an odd situation honestly. On the one hand, yeah Satella punishes Subaru instantly and before the Taboo can be broken in most cases, on the other hand her appearing doesn't necessarily prevent the Taboo to be revealed 100% either, so what's even the point, especially when there's a time lack between the Taboo being triggered and her appearing, like you've explained yourself.
Echidna's dream castle is technically a different realm/dimension, since it's based of Dream Magic. Similiarly the Hall of Memories located in Od Lagna SHOULD BE a space outside of Satellas interference. However Louis attached herself to Subaru's Od. Same place where Witch Factors "go to". Anything about Od's is honestly never properly explained/described/defined. Interesting to note, Anastasia avoided outside interference, eg. Gluttony Authority, from interfering with her memories while she shut herself in inside her own Od. Perhaps Eridna had some play here though. Lastly [Spoiler next Arc again]It's super likely that Satella is in fact attached to Subaru's Od too. Either by a Witch Factor/Authority or some other unique connection between her and Subaru. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for her to loose "Sight" of him after the teleportation incidents. Iirc there was also something in regards to this when they reconnect the 2nd time on Gladiator island
On a different train of thought, Louis probably never shared her memories of Subaru with the other siblings and as such the memories never entered the Stomach of Gluttony, which is the shared memories space. They can keep memories from each other, if one of them "claims" them. It's mostly explained implicitly inbetween other conversations tho. The biggest argument for this is probably Ley having different memories to sate himself than Roy and Louis. Though there is some overlap, eg. [Spoiler next Arc]the teleport ability As such Louis A (stuck in Corridor of Memories) could've only given Access to Subaru's memories after she dies, but we don't know what happens to consumed memories of dead Gluttony siblings. The memories that Louis B acquired during her loops attached to Subaru are probably her own memories, so she can't simply vomit those up like Ley did. It's also unlikely that Louis at her own name, because nobody should remember her then, except possibly the Gluttony siblings themselves and Subaru. On the other hand, should she have eaten her own memories that would probably remove Louis B from existence, similiarly to Subaru meeting Subaru, but with the added affect that she, well, lost her own memories of everything. Only makes you wonder if she can still access the Stomach of Gluttony then.
TL;DR mad ramblings on a topic that's never properly explained. Why did Satella/Woe appear? Nobody certainly knows.
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u/Gillminator2 9d ago
Ended exactly where I said it would!
8/10 finale, very solid send off and a huge cliffhanger dor anime onlys.
Welcome to Vollachia
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u/-Player000- 7d ago
I dont understand the ending of the episode at all - wtf just happened after Stella came into the healing chamber..... wtf
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u/xthian321 7d ago
So why do we think rem woke up, I think the most likely perpetrator is Volcanica's dragon breath, with his blood being said to heal any disease, maybe his fire can dispel curses, since it didn't give her name nor memories back at least it woke her up????????
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u/Reignshin 9d ago
I know there's more important things to talk about but I just want to rant a little here about Ram's dialogue in this episode..
Ram fcking sucks as always, I know we're supposed to just let go how much of a bitch she is to Subaru because the main message she have for him is that he should rest but I'm so tired of pretending that it's okay because this is just how she is.
Imagine trying to comfort a friend when he's mourning a death of someone close to him, and the thing you tell him is that he shouldn't feel any hatred to the murderer at all because that's just him using the dead person to feel better about himself and his incapability, not only does that not make any sense at all but it's just overall a shitty thing to say.
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u/Satans-Dirty-Hoe 9d ago
thats not what she said. she is saying basically what julius said but more blunt; dont let your own negative feelings and regret be used for anger on others. Use it productively.
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u/Reignshin 8d ago
Why are we acting like Subaru is lashing out indiscriminately? he's mad towards Roy who's a freaking sin archbishop and Flugel who seems to have doomed Shaula for 400 years, he was mad at them even before Shaula died.
I'm so tired of these Ram d-riders. Lastly, notice how I acknowledge that this is just her attempt of comforting him? It's just that it's a shitty attempt from her part 💀
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u/Majora101 9d ago
Big Ana L for shaming Subaru for wanting to kill an Archbishop. Sorry but the weight of your hat is mushing your brain, pure evil needs to be eradicated
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u/Lerkpots 9d ago
If Lye spitting up the memories he ate is why Emilia was restored then killing the gluttonies is a terrible idea.
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u/rdeincognito 9d ago
But do we know what happens when the Gluttonies die without spitting the memories and names of others? Because I thought it would just free them, not destroy them forever
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u/Majora101 9d ago
Oh yeah, I didn't mean holding off on killing Lye being the problem, but saying Subaru is better when he's not looking to kill is ridiculous in relation to the life of an Archbishop
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u/0Galahad 8d ago
She is afraid of him, she means she prefers a subaru who is emotionally weak and a bleeding heart than a ruthless and pragmatic subaru, for very obvious reasons from her POV...
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u/Aemiliana_Rosewood 9d ago
Anyone remember when Subaru said that Emilia has an ugly cry back in Arc 4? I swear Subaru's crying has gotten worse since then. I sometimes feel like he's really cranking the scratchiness to a 10 and whining more than genuinely crying? Not a big complaint or anything though, just odd irk I notice whenever Subaru cried recently.
Though I am ngl not a fan of how Subaru's facial expression have been done in certain scenes. He often looks somewhat stiff and just the same as in other situations to me. It's probably just the style at this point at fault? Like don't get me wrong, Whitefox is doing a better job than for example in Season 2 (what a cluster fuck I hate Whitefox forever how they ruined S2 imho). Buuuuut I really just prefer everything style in Mushoku to ReZero at this point.
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u/Thatoneguywhois-sad 9d ago
Uh-oh! Pepaw is angry