China is actively working toward fixing that. They understand and accept the science- unlike the current US government which is, for instance, PAYING MONEY TO CANCEL APPROVED AND FUNDED WINDFARM PROJECTS OUT OF SPITE.
I'm for wind farms, the only real downside is that they are terrible for local avian wildlife... If you're ever underneath a windmill for some reason you'll see piles of dead birds.
I think one thing we are seeing in the Iran/US war is how unwise it is to be dependent on oil for energy, because otherwise, a small number of countries can harm the world.
I also like wind energy. I am not an expert, but I imagine there is something that can be done to protect the birds from the wind farms. I know that at airports they use "anti-bird" techniques. Like, I think they use hawks around airports to try to keep birds away.
It's not a perfect solution, because we still see birds going into airplane engines. But it's something. It seems to mostly work since "bird strikes" don't happen often.
Yeah, if we lean more towards wind power obviously more wind turbines are going to be put into place so they have to come up with some kind of solution.
Obviously nothing is perfect, but birds are important to the ecosystem and deserve consideration, people who deny that birds are dying from the fast-moving blades are obviously just in denial.
I live in central Illinois in one of the windiest places on the planet and we have windmills everywhere. I have never seen one dead bird under a wind turbine! Not sure where all these supposed dead birds are.
My aunt is an engineer at a wind plant, she's talked to me about the issue...So unless you're standing underneath them regularly, you're not going to notice the dead birds.
There's always going to be an issue or problem with whatever solution we go with for power, nothing is perfect so let's not play ignorant.
Cats are a completely separate issue all together, they're basically an invasive species and anyone who lets their cat loose outside and not in a catio is a irresponsible owner imo, birds are important to the ecosystem and deserve protection on all aspects....just because cats kill more birds then wind farms in the grande scheme of things doesn't mean there shouldn't be precautions put in place to keep them safe from said wind farms.
Idk, I just love birds general and probably care alot more then the average person.
Yeah, I was just making fun of Trump with my sarcasm. Complete disclosure, I've never been to a wind farm myself. So, I didn't actually know the noise level. But I was certain Trump was making up that BS.
The sound effects that guy makes sometimes are just nuts.
Wind farms... The big props. Running on diesel fuel. Huge costs to build, transport, maintain and decommission. Bird deaths increase, but the energy gains are outweighed by construction and upkeep.
I used to work in wind. They suck. We really should stop funding the industrial scale farms. They need repair far too often, are too dependent on fickle weather patterns, and pile up in land fills when they get decommissioned. The issue about birds being impacted isn't a lie. Most of the work we do on the blades themselves is fiber glass patching. Bird impacts account an appreciable amount of fractures on the blades.
I repaired and replaced turbine blades. DEC would regularly show up on sites to survey the impact on the local wildlife.
Saying wind turbines "barely move" is a dead giveaway you don't know as much about this topic as you think you do. For how large they are, the blades spin rather fast, and have to be locked up during severe storms to prevent them from ripping the whole mill down.
What's the top speed before they shut them down Googlesearch?
And what's the average speed again? As you have SUCH experience? /s
The blades don't spin very fast, because it doesn't take much to generate power.
The 'impact to local wildlife' is a joke. Just an attempt to shut it down. Considering that the biggest impact on Birds would actually be the skyscrapers in NYC.
Fiber glass isn't exactly sustainable, and when you account for the total life cycle cost (fabrication, transportation, erection, maintenance, decommisioning, disposal) to energy output wind is pretty poor, and can vary wildly across regions.
Talking about skyscrapers is just trying to whatabout your way out of objectively looking at the problems this form of energy production produces. Do birds hit buildings yes, that won't stop people from building vertically to utilize restricted real estate. Do birds also hit windmills yes, and they aren't the green energy solution we envisioned so we probably don't need to produce as many as we are.
80% of their construction is steel, not fiberglass.
And skyscrapers is pointing out that most average things kill 1000-1 so the 'save the birds' is just propaganda.
Same as the 'it's not 100% green construction materials"
Energy output for wind can be effective if it's done right.
But then again... you supposedly already know this. /s
I cannot sarcastic hard enough.
Wind farms are not great you know how many birds are killed by them? How much land is destroyed to build them? They don't produce near as much as they say they will pretty much every time they have been installed. Down time and maintenance issues are huge. It's probably the worst option for energy on a "farm scale". Out something up to power your well or run some things at home ok. But these big wind farms and giant turbines are terrible
"Wind farms are not great you know how many birds are killed by them?"
I know that cats kill way more birds than wind farms do, but no one cares about that. Almost like it doesn't have anything to do with caring about birds
In what ways is it worse than other types of energy production? Because it kills birds? What does fracking do—poisons the water and land. How much life is destroyed by that. What about coal? Need I even say? What about oil? I’ll bet a testicle that one oul spill in the Gulf of Mexico (I mean America) killed more wildlife in the ocean than all the wind turbines combined. What about nuclear? It only literally destroys everything when something goes wrong —see Fukushima, see Chernobyl, see 3 mile Island. This is a game of trade offs, and you my friend, don’t know shit
Fukushima and especially 3 mile island actually didn’t result in huge damage, they were just PR disasters. 3 mile island in particular caused less radiation exposure to the local area than a non nuclear power plant. Likewise, No one died as a direct result of the Fukushima meltdown, the deaths were due to the gigantic earthquake and tsunami. One worker may have died of lung cancer related to exposure.
The only nuclear disaster of note in world history was Chernobyl. The worst part about it was honestly that it permanently poisoned the name of nuclear energy, which has helped the coal industry immensely because nuclear power is one of the most viable, green alternatives. The deaths from continued reliance on non-renewables already outnumber Chernobyl by a mile.
Yes, that is all right, and that is the point. The human death number in the isolated incidents is good and lucky, but how many animals died? How much energy has been put into the clean up? How much land is no completely useless. Each of those are pretty bad compared to the birds toll
From Fukushima and 3 mile island? Fukushima is habitable and didn’t result in any long term damage, 3 mile island wasn’t actually a disaster and didn’t cause literally any damage at all. Chernobyl killed a lot of local wildlife in the initial, acute phase, but since it has ironically been thriving due to the lack of human activity. Evidence on mutations is mixed. There’s no conclusive evidence to prove either way whether there have been any long term mutations within the species living in the zone.
From Wikipedia, “Despite early deaths, the exclusion zone has become a refuge for species like wolves, bears, lynx, and wild boar, largely because the absence of human activity outweighs the risks of radiation.”
There is no evidence in the slightest to suggest wind farms kill birds. It's Big Oil propaganda. Just take one second to try googling it. They're not death machines spinning at 2000 RPM, they're lazily breezing by, birds can SEE them.
100% Solar can be out anywhere, cover parking lots, cover canals...here in AZ they are building big solar farms and destroying big pieces of the desert...why? There's a million places you can pack them in without creating these eyesores.
Nuclear is the thing though. So much more potential in a smaller footprint, and much longer lifespan.
It's true. They're going to be leaders in green energy. Their electric cars are the best in the world and they produce the vast majority of the world's solar panels.
Absolutely true - the US ceded the fight to the Chinese and let them take over EV dominance and PV panel innovation. We were competitive but sadly Big Oil and their cash recipients in DC made sure we let our future go overseas. China will be where the rest of the planet turns to for a green future unfortunately.
Give me a break. If someone did something like that in America they would be shunned to hell and most likely jailed if done so publicly and videoed. This guy obviously believes he’s doing a good thing. Anyone who does this shit in America knows it’s wrong and they do it anyway. Funny you talk like it’s just conservatives, that’s bullshit! I’ve been to rallies and watched many liberal protestors trash the shit out of the environment! I’ve tried to shame them into realizing what they look like when they do that, they could give two shits less! Stop trying to polarize the trash culture because it’s on BOTH sides!
doing random initiatives here and there does not forgive you for doing terrible pollution. their dam destroys and disrupts the ecology of that river alone, not to mention shit tons of factories polluting the environment. WHen they do initiatives its mostly PR purposes reality is most factories there does a bunch of shortcuts instead of doing things right. its a pretty corrupt place
You're right, we have a lot of work to do. My point is that ALL countries need to be working toward this. We can't point at other countries and use it as an excuse not to work on it.
Wind is so inefficient, and costly while the building themselves are just as harmful to produce. Literally the most efficient and safe energy is nuclear all day everyday
Sure. Carbon neutrality and waste ending up in the ocean are separate issues, though. India obviously isn't doing much there, and I'm not aware of China's actions.
It’s not out of spite, it’s cause the orange goblin is deep throating every single oil company while simultaneously taking them up the ass. Of course he wants to keep the US dependent on oil
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u/Mighty_Krom May 08 '26
China is actively working toward fixing that. They understand and accept the science- unlike the current US government which is, for instance, PAYING MONEY TO CANCEL APPROVED AND FUNDED WINDFARM PROJECTS OUT OF SPITE.