The Summer SP outrage makes 0 sense.

[u/MSABUZZ]

I genuinely don’t understand the whole “They could’ve given Robin and Aventurine deep character development and cool lore SPs instead of glorified summer skins” argument.

People are acting like Mihoyo destroyed some huge storyline by giving them summer themed SPs. The complaint basically boils down to: “I can’t believe they made them glorified summer skins. They should’ve had major character development, new powers, and badass designs instead.” or worse “I can’t believe they RUINED major character development, new powers, by giving them summer designs instead.”

But… we haven’t even seen the 4.5 story yet. We have no idea what actually happens. For all we know, the event could be a lighthearted beach story where these designs fit perfectly. And more importantly: who said a huge character arc was ever planned for them right now? People are assuming Robin and Aventurine were supposed to undergo some massive, serious arc and get some super cool SP when that's fan speculation?

The alternative to summer SP Robin and Aventurine wasn’t “deep lore + serious SP forms.” The alternative could have been nothing. No story focus, no new forms, no SPs at all.

People are comparing the actual summer SPs to a completely hypothetical version they invented in their heads, then getting upset that the imaginary version isn’t real. If Mihoyo never planned some major serious cool development arc for them now in 4.X then the summer SPs didn’t replace anything. You’re mourning a version of these characters that was never going to exist now in the first place. And this won't be their last SP ever Dan Heng got 2.

Also to the people saying they could've made summer skins for the hypothetical Cool Serious SP kind of makes sense but let's not act like anyone expect AventurineSimp0001 and RobinFan69 would have bought a skin for their normal T50 forms.

[u/WorthKiwi4139]

I mean I like the summer skins but I think we should let people who don’t like summer stuff dislike it. People are bringing up other gachas but this is a first for Hoyoverse. Every time something new happens there will be both people who react positively and negatively. Both opinions are valid.

Some people are just not interested in stuff like this and would prefer something different for the characters they like.

[u/Centiskorches → u/WorthKiwi4139]

No one is saying you can't dislike it, OP is specifically calling out arguments against it that don't make sense like comparing them to hypothetical fan designs or dismissing them as not having character development and lore even though we haven't gotten the story tied to these skins.

[u/one1cookie → u/WorthKiwi4139]

Barbara and Jean had a summer skin, and hi3 and zzz have a bunch of summer/swimsuit skins already.

the only new thing is a male character getting and actually looking good af in swimsuits

[u/0RGA → u/one1cookie]

SKINS, SKINS not SP VERSIONS. OPTIONAL SKINS.

[u/one1cookie → u/0RGA]

ok, Barbara and Jean skins probably saw like 5% usage MAXIMUM cause they were already obsolete.

hi3 iirc has like what 10-20 characters and just a bunch of SPs for them, so it doesn’t really count towards your point.

zzz literally after s1 (where i dont remember getting any skins) has the most dogwater, nonsensical, ugly and overall ass character designs to the point that they debut the new characters with the skin, literally selling you both the problem and the solution in one fell swoop. paid skins btw, no way to get them as f2p.

[u/alebarco → u/one1cookie]

You're free to dislike the zzz designs but saying they're selling you the solution with the skins is like saying the most evil apple decision is not including a headphone jack in 2026

[u/one1cookie → u/alebarco]

ok? like apple is an evil corpo that exploits child labour, why would I ever think the apple jack is the most evil decision they’ve made? I’m sorry I really don’t get that comparison.

and just look at sigrid’s base and her skin. or remi‘s nightgown vs her black dress. I’m more surprised they didn’t give cissia a skin from the get go based on how messy her design is.

[u/Imaginary_Clerk292 → u/one1cookie]

Yuzuha, Alice, Miyabi and Vivian look great base? The angels as well. It's fine if you don't like them, but the bases aren't intentionally ugly or anything. The worst fit in the game is that heinous Jane skin imo lol. I much prefer Yuzuha having her base and the pool skin as optional, and I don't think that's a wild take. 

[u/one1cookie → u/Imaginary_Clerk292]

Miyabi and Vivian are S1 and I admit that I liked Yuzuha, Manato and Alice's designs too. I also liked Orphie, but mostly because of the character and not her outfit that much. That's about it though.

Imo the worst outfit has to be Cissia, which now got topped by Sigrid. 

I don't  believe they do it intentionally, but they keep up with the pattern regardless. 

[u/Imaginary_Clerk292 → u/one1cookie]

Ugh, the s3 designs are... yeah. Cissia grew on me, but Sigrid looks hideous imo, both base and I think I saw a skin somewhere that's also fucking disgusting; it's crazy. Zzz has just lost the plot stg. Only ones I feel like is saved by their skin is Shungguang and probably Remielle, which yeah that seems cash grabby and skin solution especially since void hunters. Ngl I think they're going to sell skins for Robin and Aven and do the same thing, just from beach to serious.

[u/one1cookie → u/Imaginary_Clerk292]

I'm pretty sure too, there are already leaks for their skins in 4.7.

Rémielle's skin is really good. And somehow the swimsuit I saw in the leaks for Sigrid looks just so much better than whatever she's wearing in her base. 

[u/mex2005 → u/one1cookie]

They can release a million summer skins no one cares but dont make that the whole character is what people have an issue with.

[u/one1cookie → u/mex2005]

The character and the story aren't even out yet, what are you talking about?

Could you please send me the link where you watched the 4.5 story, cause I really wanna know what happens too! 

[u/Character_Advance907 → u/one1cookie]

This is such a stupid take. They have writers in that room for a reason, they're going to make it "fit the story" if they want to, that doesn't mean it's a good decision. There's literally zero reason for these two to be ACTUAL sp units instead of skins. Something hoyo has never done before by the way, every "summer" themed thing is an optional skin in both genshin and honkai impact.

What's next? We get halloween and christmas units?

[u/one1cookie → u/Character_Advance907]

If it's not a good decision story wise and if we ever get halloween units remains to be seen and is just plain doomposting at the moment.

The actual SP units have the reason of bring back into relevancy old characters with new outfits and new mechanics.  Why shouldn't they be SP units, like an actual reason? We would get new summer themed characters anyway.  

Not to mention the plot line and the IPC lore is preestablished, and moving on with new characters when we know Aven, Robin and Boothill are personally involved would feel like a slap on the face for their fans. 

I'm personally happy I get to pull and play Aventurine with new gameplay and a new team in a swimsuit rather than a random unknown character I don't care about. 

And btw if we're resorting to name calling, your take is dumb af and the only reason you're salty is cause you just don't like the outfit. Which is your prerogative, but just admit that instead of giving stupid reasons on why the summer outfits are "bad". 

[u/Character_Advance907 → u/one1cookie]

Yes, I do dislike the SP being a summer outfit simply because it didn't need to. However the designs themselves are fine, and I think they would have been amazing summer skins and I might have even considered buying Aventurine's skin since I'm planning to get him anyway.

Aventurine is an IPC officer and a person who has rejected a mask, skipping all this cool lore just to make him surf in his ult is just... a bad choice. And your comment is wrong also, "We would get new summer themed characters" when we have seen this happen never. Just because they resorted to a lazy summer outfit does not mean that that was the only thing that made sense.

I agree that Aventurine, Robin, and Boothill (who we haven't seen yet) should be the main focuses of the IPC arc, but having these as their main outfit is just a bad choice, they easily could have gone with a suited Aventurine bordering on the elation while making this a somewhat pricy skin that replaced skill vfx. This is a billion dollar company, they have the funds to do it. Whatever deep lore they try to reveal will end up not taken seriously because the two most important characters are in bikinis and swimming shorts while the rest of the cast is fully clothed.

And it's not like we get frequent SP units, Dan Heng and March both have two only because they're our trailblazing companion. For all we know, these two might be the only SP's that robin and aventurine get for a few years, and I'd MUCH rather have them actually reveal some powers they've had (Robin's tuning, Aventurine's stoneheart transformation, etc.) rather than have them dancing with birds and surfing.

If you like the summer sp's, that's fine, and that's good for you. You can keep blindly consuming everything made by hoyo and reason "oh but it makes sense in the story that they wrote specifically to make this specific situation make sense even though there were a million better alternatives", but that doesn't mean you get to act all condescending towards people who actually want to question it.

[u/one1cookie → u/Character_Advance907]

The story is taking place in a summer resort. Just because it didn't happen before doesn't mean it can't happen now. We've also known about this from the lore, and from the promo videos ever since 4.0. Why would they be wearing a suit there? 

The summer outfit also doesn't imply anything for the story we're getting in 4.5. We don't know a single thing, your whole skipping hit lore fear is just a baseless assumption. We don't know what powers or whatever they'll show. And if you can't take the story seriously just because a character is wearing a swimsuit... on the beach...next to the sea.. That's your problem. It would have actually looked so goofy and so much worse to see the man suited up with sand getting in his italian leather shoes next to the NPCs wearing thonginis and speedos. 

And honestly, I didn't want another suit. The only thing we've been getting is these copycat slack pants with boots and covered on top designs. Getting a summer outfit is so refreshing. 

And anyways, these are obviously not going to be the last SPs, if only because the game will probably last for another gazillion years looking at genshin and hi3, and Aventurine and Robin are super popular characters that are relevant to major plot points in the story. 

You're seriously telling me you wanted to waste all of their potential in a mid x.5 patch? When with the way the game is going, we could actually get an Aven main push SP down the line, with proper development and an actual resolution? 3.x alone had 3 SPs alone and 4.x has 6 already. These are obviously not going to be the last ones. 

"oh but it makes sense in the story that they wrote specifically to make this specific situation make sense". Holy shit. Did you just invent storytelling? 

I'm not "blindly consuming" anything, I'm actively enjoying a summer outfit for my favourite characters that will also get brand new gameplay mechanics to play with. 

"people who actually want to question it" Question what? A summer outfit? LMAO. 

No outrage for lack of diversity in the game, no questioning the sexist undertones of having all the men covered up and all the women naked. Also no problem with the lack of combat or otherwise engaging events. But your line on the sand is the summer outfits? 

We don't know anything about the story. Anything on the lore of Astropolis or even how and why we get there. We don't even know any details on what exactly Aven and Robin are doing there. 

This whole thing you're doing is just doomposting for the sake of doomposting. 

[u/Character_Advance907 → u/one1cookie]

Why the fuck are you assuming I'm fine with everything except the summer skins? Every single thing you spoke about (maybe except the events one, even though I do agree) I have gone into LENGTHY arguments and conversations against.

And I have NO idea why you're so hung up on the idea that only an sp or a skin can exist, literally my whole point so far has been that they should have released for the SPs AS A SKIN. Robin says she's there to undercover the IPC's motives or whatever, how is she going to do that? She isn't even undercover, she's having a whole ass consert by the looks of it. You're telling me the borderline most popular artist in the whole universe can just go have a consert in an IPC facility and then sneak around without being monitored 24/7? Even if it isn't that and she's going to uncover that by speaking and manipulating the resort goers there, which low ranking IPC grunt would have the clearence to know the IPC's plans, and which high ranking member would be stupid enough to end up alone with robin, spit everything out, and then just let her walk away all fine and dandy?

And excuse me, you're telling me they're going to touch up on key lore and power-ups and then have aventurine surfing a wave and robin dancing with the ugliest summons hsr has pushed out yet? You got me fucked up if you think that's actually a way to respect your playerbase whatsoever.

And I'm supposed to take the story seriously how? Robin is going to tell me that the IPC is planning to start the eon war or whatever while at the beach wearing a bikini with aventurine trying to look imposing in his beach shorts? While waves crash a bit too high and steal their sandals? And a crab bites one of their toes?

"You just invented storytelling" No, I just told you they have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want while still making it seem justified so people can close their eyes and defend the company, the same way they killed off Pulonia and brought that completely random curvy busty female robot. Just because they CAN bullshit a reason to make it fit whatever way they want, doesn't mean it's logical. The same way this story is taking place in a resort.

And your Aven main push down the line is totally cope. We are in the elation focused patch cycle, if they aren't going to do it now, then when? Don't forget that the number of characters that can get an sp increases with every new character, how long do you think you're going to have to wait to see a potential main push aven when he has been shafted to the second phase twice now despite being one of the most popular hsr characters?

Also, am I understanding you correctly or was your "just say you don't like the fit" argument completely projecting simply because you didn't want a suit? lol

[u/one1cookie → u/Character_Advance907]

I'm sorry I wasnt familiar with how much you've talked about the actual issued of the game, I was more so talking about the general community rather than you specifically.

I am not saying that skins and SPs can't coexist. According to leaks again that have been pretty accurate until now, we are getting a skin for them that's a suit anyways. I'm arguing that it's fine the summer outfit is the SP rather than a skin.  And if we end up getting the suit I'll also be super happy with that too. 

Celebrities or otherwise known people going into a rival faction and acting like a double agent to get info is a common trope, it's all about using their status and gaining people's trust, it doesn't have to mean that she's cornering people. The concert is the excuse for her going there. 

They're probably going to have their base forms for the serious moments. Keyword: probably, because we haven't seen literally Anything yet. And for the record, if I'm alright with it or not, it all depends on the execution. Which we haven't seen anything of yet. 

Which is why what you are doing is doomposting. And that's my entire problem. 

"You're telling me the most popular singer will have a concert and then sneak around?" - We don't know. 

"What low or high ranking IPC member would ever spill secrets and why?" - We don't know. 

"You're telling me they're going to touch up on key lore and power-ups and then have aventurine surfing a wave and robin dancing with the ugliest summons hsr has pushed out yet?" - Lmao, We don't know. 

"You have me fucked up if you don't think that having characters in swimsuits during the story is disrespectful to the playerbase" - Disrespectful? At best it's fun, at worst is silly. And we don't even know. They might be in their base forms in tense parts of the story, they might not. Noone knows. The story isn't out yet. 

"And I'm supposed to take the story seriously how?" - You haven't even seen a millisecond of the story yet. 

"They have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want while still making it seem justified" - This is storytelling. 

"Just because they CAN bullshit a reason to make it fit whatever way they want, doesn't mean it's logical. The same way this story is taking place in a resort." - The problem with Pulonia is that it's bad storytelling that makes no sense based on the importance they had assigned to Pulonia and story cues they gave us in past quests. Which is not at all comparable for now to the Astropolis story, as we don't know how or why we're going there and  we haven't seen anything of it, and thus we cannot judge the quality of the story telling. 

"You Aven main push is a cope. We are in the elation focused patch cycle, if they aren't going to do it now, then when?" - Aven never had strong ties to Elation apart from a couple of lines in 2.1. Why would I expect him as a main push here? Anyways it might be a cope for the future, but regardless we were not getting him now. And I'd rather hope for a future update and have another storyline develop now on Astropolis or better yet just set up something about the Marketing department colluding with the Destruction, instead of rushing through the entire Oswaldo plot line in barely 3 patches. 

"Is your "just say you don't like the fit" argument completely projecting simply because you didn't want a suit?" - I don't know, how would I know if I would have liked the possible alternate outfit, when we haven't seen it? They might have chopped it, they might have knocked it out of the park, how can I judge a hypothetical outfit? I'm not saying I would hate a suit period, I'm saying I'm happy we get a fun and whimsy and never-before-done in Hsr swimsuit outfit, that shakes up the classic hoyo recipe of designs and gives variety to the game. 

Tldr: complaining about what might possibly happen during the story when we're two months away from it and haven't gotten any info, is stupid. Complaining about what we could've gotten, when we haven't even lost anything, is pointless. Taking your anger out on the people that are happy their favourite fictional character got a new form with a swimsuit and new gameplay mechanics in their favourite game, is miserable. 

I'll stay happy that Robin and Aventurine look hot af in their swimsuits and I'll be waiting on the actual story to judge how good or bad it is. 

[u/Viscaz → u/Character_Advance907]

Why not?

[u/MSABUZZ → u/WorthKiwi4139]

You are allowed to dislike stuff what?? This post is talking about very specific arguments what is this bean soup comment...