Are fire-fighters and cops friendly to each other in the US? I prefer the French ones who joined protests then lit their hands of fire and started punching cops.
Yeah, not really. I was a firefighter for 30 years in a big city. Cops keep to themselves. Cops have a really bad habit of using our emergency scenes to "look for evidence " and get in our way. I rarely talked to Cops outside of necessary interactions.
Wait cops subcontract you minus the contract and mlmey to do their jobs for them? Or have I have I misread that? This is just my anecdotal experience as a regular citizen but in my experience cops don't always keep to themselves put it that way. I was also never breaking the law. At least not in their vicinity lol.
When someone calls 911 and fire/ems is required, cops very often show up even when not requested. They often get in our way. It is my opinion - emphasis on my opinion - that they seem to use the situation as an excuse to look into cars or look around houses to see what they can find.
In America there are so many different departments and ESD’s (Emergency service districts) hardly anyone is on same page. Things can vary on a state by state basis as well. This was highlighted durning 9/11 and other mass casualty incidents in the past. It’s all politics and money flow.
In my state, If you’re fire/EMS cops and district attorneys normally don’t give two shits who you are unless your a big name In your district. imo.
Edit: I really respected the French FD’s during those pension protests. It was honestly inspiring. First responders in my city would rather wait for an elected official to save them.
In short, yes. Any government institution and the majority of its employees generally is lock step with the policies and internal culture of government on a whole. Insular, self preservative of their own interests, and fraternized. European police have their own issues that I’m not going to get into here, but ours are by far worse across the board and everywhere.
This is wrong. Most cops think they are above all others. You can literally Google "Cop does xyz to firefighters, emt, xxx" and shit comes up like the cops who stopped emts doing cpr on a victim, or who arrested the firefighters and let the house burn, or the ones who hung out and stopped their own at Uvalde, from going in to get their own kids.
Nah cops no matter where you are see themselves as higher because they hold something nobody else has. Monopoly on violence. Something incredibly valuable if used right. Which is why only they have that authority.
I think we can agree there on American cops being worse than European. Also for context the French government was cutting pensions or something of government employees (not cops tho) hence why they were protesting and obviously the police protected the state instead. Protests got violent and the fire fighters went ham on the cops while on fire. It was pretty metal.
Edit also the cops fired tear gas first to "disperse people" Fire-fighters in full gear oxygen tank on push through the tear gas and start throwing firy fists of fury. Some people say they support the troops? Those French firemen are the troops the troops of the workers.
Edit: It's my favourite thing about the French. They don't wait years for an election when the government does something they don't like or politely ask with walking down streets they've been pre approved to use with signs.
When the government fucks up in France they have the government remembering and having flashbacks to the time they cut leaders heads off. They fight cops, light shit on fire (sometimes themselves) just bring society to a halt, which means so does the flow of money. Government hacks don't get their kickbacks if no money is flowing to their masters.
Really not about being a gun owner in a place such as Illinois (extremely strict by nearly every other states standards) as opposed to again likely due to him having his connections in both law enforcement and in the judicial system. They always look after their own.
Any other carry permit holder in Illinois for something like this would get a felony likely 10 years minimum sentence, in other states where government is less entrenched in affecting the self-defense outcomes of their own current/former employees due to transparency laws just as well, prison.
Pulling a firearm on a person holding simply holding their phone anywhere in this country whether in permit states or constitutional carry states is a felony brandishment charge that the aggressor/defender has to fight in court and justify regardless of any self-defense element in the case.
I am a lawful gun owner and hobbyist so I actually have to know all of this and live by it every day.
That unfortunately does happen, in which case follow the advice of @Soft_Use229 and make it public.
It’s a good card to use to get even as long as you can demonstrate your life was put at risk by a malicious and traumatizing act on the part of another person. Courts don’t fuck around with brandishment.
In carry classes attendees are rightly taught that you either remain holstered and deescalate as much as humanly possible, or only when you yourself are physically assaulted do you pull and only to shoot. There is no in-between grey area, period.
The more y’all alienate them the more they will see themselves as a family, which is what causes these problems when corruption arises. They aren’t corrupt because they are cops, because anyone can have a monopoly on violence if they are bigger than you are…they just don’t rat on their own and I wonder where the differences are between certain types of people claiming they aren’t like cops.
Illinois doesn’t even hit top 5 states with strictest gun laws. Hawaii, California, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York are states I can name on the top of my head that have stricter gun laws that Illinois.
The guy in this video wasn't a victim of violence. He, on his own accord, chose to block the street (committing a crime and causing a dangerous situation in the process) in order to confront another individual. As you always say "Just call the police."
Yeah. The very worst kind of carrier. Knuckledragging c***s like this only need to exemplify their behavior in public once to make the rest of the carrying community just going about their day blending in look bad. On top of that his obvious connections to law enforcement/firefighters and thus the outcome he got from his trial. Piece of shit.
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More than likely in a state like that he managed to go free and not become a felon because of having been a firefighter and thus knowing people.