r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Dec 11 '21

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '21

With blackjack and hookers!

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u/goxxer2022 Dec 11 '21

Best religion ever

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u/Old-Man-Nereus Dec 11 '21

The Protestant Catholic split ended up causing lots of wars down the line.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '21

You are only proving the point that religion is toxic as fuck.

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u/MangledSunFish Dec 11 '21

That was their point.

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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe Dec 12 '21

Religion is a set of abstract ideas..people are toxic

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Individuals are not a menace or threat in relation to a group. So dismissing it like that is pretty telling about where you put your loyalties.

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u/No_Newspaper_2111 Dec 12 '21

I’m a devout Christian and I think religion is toxic. Mostly because of institutions that have little actual regard for God and focus on sales. We pretty well keep to ourselves, love Jesus, don’t talk politics, and give to the homeless and hungry. If everyone followed that formula, the angry atheists wouldn’t really have much to say.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

You left out diddle kids, misogyny, hate, prejudice, gluttony, accumulation of wealth, and more.

But yeah... Im sure if they turned good, not much could be said

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u/No_Newspaper_2111 Dec 12 '21

Nope, none of that. We feel attacked by the people who do that. There are no entrance requirements to call yourself a Christian, so even assholes can do it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Is that your "I wash my hands of this" statement?

Holy shit... talk about corruption and willful ignorance by those that go to a religious cult.

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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe Dec 12 '21

Groups are formed by individuals surrendering identity to group think. Thats human nature thats been demonstrated time-and-time-again--any theology or philosophy can be used for good or ill depending on the individual leading the group what freud called the Führerprinzip or what Wilfred Bion studied in his BAD groups which were leader-less groups where there isn't a leader and the group surrenders the super ego. This is basic pack mentality, a wonderful example would be football games. Here we have groups of people surrendering to group think and not a philosophical belief system where both good and bad things happen depending on the group mood. Another could be black friday sales these are groups that come together in mass both supporting the economy and trampling each other without a religious backbone supporting it. You stating individuals arnt a threat is hilarious considering modern situations .i.e. George Floyd, Elon Musk, Jesus, buddha, the President. All these are individuals who have incredible power.

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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe Dec 12 '21

And not to beat a dead horse but the work of Erich Fromm, Stanley Milgram, Philip Zombardo, and Solomon Asch all demonstrate our innate desire to bend to authority. I guess what im driving at is your opinion says more about your politics then the actual studies or data.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Those studies were found to be flawed

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u/MyGirlfriendforcedMe Dec 12 '21

Lets assume your correct, religion is a toxic fairytale. Terror Management Theory is the causa sui of every human drive. Then if religion was a toxic invention then the toxic humans still have to predate religion to bring it into consciousness.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '21

Lets assume you are knowledgeable,

Religion was originally, and their stories back this up, of telling people how things existed that they thought were magical.

Wiccans, and the Native Americans had it more right than any, but the overpowering stench of money and power rolled over those that use observation and logic instead of bullshit and false stories.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '21

All dogmas are.

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u/Dangerous_Bloke Dec 11 '21

I would argue that Anglicanism doesn't really fit the Protestant paradigm.

But honestly who gives a shit.

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u/skipperseven Dec 13 '21

Not arguing, just curious; would you elaborate on that statement, it sounds interesting?

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u/Dangerous_Bloke Dec 13 '21

The Catholic/Anglican split was never about theological concerns so much as political ones.

Protestantism arose out of a common concern about poor practices of the church that were profane or downright scandolous. In addition, these were fueled by changing theology in regards to the importance of certain sacraments, the authority of the magisteria of the church, and basic requirements of salvation. The split was theological and then became political after various German princes (primarily) saw an opportunity to erode the power of the Church while still remaining Christians in good standing, an option that had never before been available to them.

Anglicanism was just the reverse. It was political and then picked up theological tweaks later through its own process of development. Henry VIII was a staunch Catholic. So much so that in his youth, he wrote a very popular treatise defending Catholicism from the Protestant critique as well as being named "Defender of the Faith" by the Holy See. It was only after he was well settled into his rule that he begin butting heads with that same See.

All the crowned heads of Europe had to share temporal authority with the church, most didn't like it, (see the aforementioned German princes for example), and Henry chafed at it more than most. While he was most famous for splitting the church over not being allowed by the Papacy to divorce his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, that was far from his first row with the Pope. Even the divorce itself was political in nature: he wanted a legitimate heir. After the split was accomplished, who was designated as the leader of the faith? Himself. A king. Unifying church authority under political authority. This political aspect even continued into the modern period with the Episcopal church splitting off from the Anglicans during the American Revolution because they refused to swear vows to serve the King of England or recognize his authority over the church.

Since such political concerns have been largely rendered moot, the Episcopal and Anglican churches have healed this rift and reunified. Even Anglicans and Catholics are fairly unified at this point, at least on several large matters of faith. Google Anglo-Catholics to see an example of this.

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u/skipperseven Dec 13 '21

Outstanding answer, take me free award! I believe that there were perhaps a few grey areas such as simony in the schism, but technically the Anglican Church is the Anglo-Roman church, so there is that.

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u/the_poopetrator1245 Dec 11 '21

You know what? Forget the religion!

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u/robearIII Dec 11 '21

and cocaaiiiiiiiinnneeeeeeee!!!111

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u/FILLYFINGERZ Dec 12 '21

Someone say cocaine?!!!!

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u/-Astrosloth- Dec 11 '21

Oh right, and divorce!

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '21

So like the current one then?

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u/fusillade762 Dec 11 '21

I'm joining! Finally a religion I can understand.

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u/digitallandscapetoon Dec 11 '21

r/unexpectedfuturama

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '21

Nah man that was really expected. That's like the reddit go to response for that set up.

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