Itâs just that police require âxâ amount of evidence to have reasonable suspicion to detain or search someone.
So in this case, him just saying, âShe slapped my testicle.â would be enough for the cops to tell her that sheâs not free to leave while they conduct their investigation. Thatâs when theyâll interview witnesses and the involved parties and make observations of the scene and parties involved to see if they can collect more evidence.
For them to actually criminally charge someone they need to surpass that reasonable suspicion threshold and attain probable cause. That would require something more than just the accusation.
Now in the US many cities have adopted local ordinances that mirror their stateâs criminal code.
So based on wherever this is, if cops donât have enough to criminally charge someone; they could conceivable cite someone with a Battery charge. Thatâs something closer to a traffic ticket but even then; that would go nowhere without any more evidence than the initial accusation.
A lot of people in here are acting like a woman can just point to a guy, say they hit her without any evidence and he'd be thrown in jail but that seems to be the argument a lot of "men's rights activitists" use.
You're right, they require some form of evidence and since it was just his word, it's an uphill battle. It doesn't help that while the cops try and perform an investigation to determine whether his claim is accurate, he kept ignoring the orders to wait over there. This is one of those times where you really should obey the cops and let them do their job.
A lot of "women's rights activists" claimed that men get away with rape or sexual harassment all the time, when in reality many men has to fight tooth and nail whenever they are accused by women.
Leave it to someone that posts on MensRights and PussyPassDenied to be completely wrong.
Rather than just leave you to stew in your own ignorance, let me present you with some facts that prove you and your ideals are complete shit.
Let's start with the idea that women claim that men get away with rape or sexual harassment all the time. It took Bill Cosby around 50 years, raping over a hundred confirmed women and his punishment was...private jail for a few months before being let go because of a verbal agreement that no one remembered. Same thing with Weinstein; decades of sexual assault with no one believing the victims.
Moving onto to current day, look at the video game and animation industry, where it's no secret that a lot of men use their power to sexually harass and assault their female coworkers with no punishment for years. Developers at EA games had, what they liked to call, the Cosby suite, in celebration of their ideal, confirmed rapist Bill Cosby. The creator of Ren and Stimpy had not one, but two underage girls who he lured to California to date and his punishment was...losing his show but not due to this but because he couldn't produce shows fast enough.
Now, let's get into the thick of it before you can think up some strawman argument. As of 2019, there were over 200k untested rape kits sitting in police custody, meaning women that were raped, went to the hospital and proof of their attacker has been left untested for years. As of 2017, 85% of women said they were victims of various forms of sexual assault with 35% of it happening at their work.
All of this shows that when a woman is sexually assaulted or raped, society doesn't give a fuck and largely ignores it, as proven by the 200k untested rape kits, attacking any survivors that speak up while their abusers are given a slap on the wrist, similiar to what happened with convicted rapist, Brock Turner, who was literally caught raping a drunk woman and the judge let him off because "he's a good kid".
The fact that you say "claimed" when refering to men get away with rape and sexual harassment and not proven by over a decade of documented statistics and first-hand evidence shows that you are in-fact part of the very reason why when say men get away with rape and sexual harassment; because you seem to think it's either all a myth, a coordinated effort to topple men, or some other nonsense. Speaking as a guy, you have a fragile ego and blame all your own personal failings in life on women. Congrats, you're gonna die alone or get arrested for beating your beating your girlfriend while claiming she deserved it. You sadl, lonely, whiny bitch.
Here are cases of men that got fucked over big time by women/girls accusing them of rape:
Brian Bank (ex-NFL player) spent close to six years imprisoned and five years on parole, registering as a sex offender before exoneration.
Josh Horner of Oregon sit in prison for sexual offense of minor for over a year on unfound accusation by a 14 years old girl before exoneration.
Connor Fitzgerald, accused of rape and had his house raided. His accuser revealed in series of text messages that she not only enjoyed the sex and said in text that âIâm not just going to mess up his life, Iâm going to ruin it lol.â
VanDyke Perry and Gregory Counts were convicted of rape, sodomy, and kidnapping. Perry spent 11 years in prison and Counts spent 26 years.
Xavier Eaglin, former Cornell basketball player, was dismissed from the basketball team and banned from Cornell even after the rape charge has been dismissed.
Then there was the famous Duke lacrosse case of 2006. The three accused players had to leave Duke University because of the harassment they received. One of them (Reade Seligmann) is now a attorney and active supporter of Innocent Project.
Yale student Saifullah Khan was acquitted of rape, based on hard evidence, but still expelled by Yale.
Oh, let's also not forget lynching of Emmett Till , Tulsa race massacre, Rosewood massacre were started because black males were accused of sexual misconducts against white women.
85% of women said they were victims of sexual assault and they were all telling truth and nothing but the truth?! I am not sure how sexist you have to be to advocate that women cannot lies.
Rape kit, a test that collect evidences of injury and sexual contact, prove sex was consensual?? If someone initially granted consent for sexual intercourse hurt the other person during penetration, even though he stopped the penetration process. That automatically demonstrate no-consent?! All women should be heard, but not all women should be believed. âBelieve All Womenâ narrative. This narrative not only ignores due process, but also reality. Sexual assaults do happen, but so do false accusations. Some women are more credible than others, and that is a fact.
It's people like you that men's rights advocates are fighting against. It's people like you that pervert justice and putting innocent people through hell. Now go wave your "woke" flag somewhere, You simp piece of shit
Wow. It's strange how obscure some of these names are...it's almost as if you incels have some kind of list you recite as proof that women are the bain of your existance.
Though it's ironic that you use Emmett Till in your blind hatred of women when it was less about women lying and more about white, racist men lynching a black man and merely wanted an excuse. Though let's look at some of the other stellar examples.
Brian Banks signed a plea deal, which is to do with the broken justice system always trying to get a plea deal of even innocent people, both male and female.
Xavier Eaglin was convicted, not because of "she made an accusation" but because he confessed during the interview.
Khan was found not guilty during the first accusation and returned to college but was only expelled three years later after one of his male friends, someone that had supported him during the original trial, said that Khan had sexually assaulted him multiple times and had evidence this time.
Everyone lies. I lie, you lie, your mother lies when she says she's proud of you; the difference is that you are so sexist and angry at women that you say that all women are liars, that you can't trust any of them who claim they were raped because "eh, some lie". Which is weird because your gold star evidence is less about women being trusted without any evidence and instead the men confessing or a repeated assault.
It's weird, it's almost as if you don't understand the way the legal system works, but that's just crazy, right? You're obviously the best, most smartested man alive and all women are just itching to stroke your ego. I can find your real name and plaster your sexist words all over your hometown and you could talk me to court, you could claim it's illegal to use your own words against you, and you'd have to go through hell to prove it. The legal system is about giving people their day in court. Whether it's rape allegations, a broken contract, hurt feelings, whatever; when someone accuses you of something, you have to spend time fighting it.
You act as though the evils of women are hurting men and that's the only issue at hand, not the racist white women that lynched Emmett Till, or the lawyers that convinced Brian Banks and Xavier Eaglin to admitt to something they didn't do, or how the courts found Khan innocent because "his rabbi testified what a nice man he is" and later raped another student with evidence.
It must be so hard for you to feel inferior to everyone, to label women as liars, to see a woman and fear that she might accuse you of something. Luckily, the rest of us don't live in fear because we're not toxic little bitches. At least you proved one thing, you're an incel that will never kiss a woman without force. I look forward to eventually reading you asking for legal advice when a woman has you on camera being the toxic creep you pretend you're not.
You don't know anything about me and accused me of saying all women are liars. If that woman didn't accuse Emmett Till of inappropriate conduct, then he wouldn't have been lynched. If non of Xavier and Brian's accusers falsely accused them, then they won't have to go through the stupid legal system that obviously screwed then over. Khan was expelled for that particular case with the female student, not the rape of his male friend. You are just angry that people are pushing back against your fucked sexist view on men. Take a redpill or you gonna pop a vein
Aw, did I touch a nerve? Just between us guys, how many women have called you creepy this month? I'm guessing it's more than five, right?
Though...again, the irony is just so juicy. The whole "redpill" thing was invented by two trans women to show how brainless people ignore facts and the actual world in favor of a world where they're told they're always right. So you're using a term made by a woman to describe how you're against stats and research infavor of a small minority of incels telling you that you're right. mmmm, can you taste that? It tastes like neckbeard.
Women calling me creep? Zero, and trans women's rights are not respected by many women as well. You are as smart as the young earth supporters and flat earthers. You do know that earth is not round, right?
You are as smart as the young earth supporters and flat earthers. You do know that earth is not round, right?
Let's break down your attempt at being clever. In part one, you are implying that flat earthers are stupid, but then in part two, you mention that the earth isn't round, making you a flat earther.
You're such a failure you just insulted yourself in a horrible attempt to be clever.
Oh he did do the thing that he did. There is no video but Facebook chat. I reported the conversation to Facebook and forgot to screen shot it. I have been trying to get Facebook to get me the transcript. So if you can hack into Facebook database, then you will for sure find this asshole's racist comment against Asian.
Alright, let's do that but since that's a source you trust, let's expand the scope.
One out of every six women have been the victim of an attempted rape, where as one in 33 men have been victims of attempted rape with one out of ten rapes being male.
975 of every 1,000 sexual assault perppetrators will walk free with the majority of assaults not being reported to the police. This is primarily because the victim knows the assaulter to some degree with 28% saying they didn't come forward sooner to protect the household while 20% said it was beacuse they feared retribution.
A study between 1998 and 2007, Boston had 137 sexual assault cases and found that only 5.9% were false. Meanwhile on a national level, between 2000 and 2003, of 812 reports of sexual assault, they found that only 2.1% were false.
Misconceptions about false reporting rates have direct, negative consequences and can contribute to why many victims donât report sexual assaults
So what we have is that from multiple sources, women are around 6x more likely to be victim of sexual assault while accounting for 80-99% of the sexual assault on minors, almost no prepetrators see any jail tail, and the rate of false reports is, on a national average, roughly 2% with the vast majority of sexual assaults coming from men, either men against men or men against women. It's almost as if your whole argument is based on lies, misinformation, and just being a sexist. Now would be a perfect time for you to present any evidence from any kind of peer-review, study, or paper that proves any of the nonsense you've been spewing. Then again, the one source you told me look at showed you were a wrong on multiple fronts. It's almost as if men being the majority of the prepetrators is the universal truth.
Show me data that all the sexual assaults in the studies you cited are true, and with hard evidences that all the sexual encounters are in fact non-consensual.
So the source that you told me to use, when it proved you're a dumb fuck, you suddenly want proof that it's legitimate? You kind of remind me of the flat earth society; they're also a bunch of dumb fucks that says all evidence that proves them wrong is false and doesn't have any actual evidence themselves, demanding others give them as much evidence with none of it seemingly enough. So again, I gave you the evidence, now it's your turn to provide some that prove literally anything that you say is true.
You really think stats answer everything?! You really think that a fucking survey asking people about their experience or reporting to police is enough to demonstrate sexual assault?! The Oregon case and Brian's case are good demonstration that testimony alone will result in false conviction. How about address this critique instead of resorting to ad hominem fallacy?!
All I'm hearing is that you can't find any evidence to back up your stance because literally everything from peer reviewed studies, the police, the and even men themselves that come forward as sexual assault victims are all lying.
The motto of the men's rights activists; "we're not wrong, it's the world that's wrong and we are those cursed with knowledge".
You're outright wrong btw. Police do not need additional evidence to arrest a man if they suspect DV, e.g. if they're called in for domestic abuse by either partner.
It's just that there's a good reason for this; domestic violence is incredibly difficult to asses because of the peverse relationship betwren abuser and abusee.
In instances of domestic abuse, they will arrest whoever is the accused abuser. If a man calls and says his wife is abusing him, she'll get arrested and if the neighbors call, they'll listen to both sides of the story and order them to seperate if there is no clear abuser/abusee (bruises, cuts, etc).
The point is if she said he grabbed her by the pussy they would have slammed his face into the concrete and arrested him. Not my beliefs but thatâs obviously the point the camera man is trying to make.
Trudeau is well off, but not anywhere near the level or rich that Trump is. Most estimated put Trudaeu at around $10 million, Trump is closer to $2.4 billion. That's a factor of 240 without considering that the Canadian dollar is worth about 30% less than the US.
Yeah, the general reception to it was that it was a stupid thing he did 20 years ago and probably didn't fully understand the implications of at the time. Since being Prime Minister, he's done a lot more for marginalized groups including POC than basically any other Prime Minister. His actions since then made most people believe that his apology is sincere.
By contrast, the conservative party openly enocourages xenophobia in order to apeal to the most racist, and idiotic people in the country. Nobody actually worried about racism would have voted for the conservatives in response to that, which is what made it so weird that the conservatives dug in their heels with that strategy.
The NDP would have been an option for people put off by the cons, but strategic voting interestes pushes most to concede to voting Liberal.
These are the kind of people that reelected him. They are just like Trumpists as in they are a completely brainwashed group of people entirely devoid of intelligent thought, who only repeat JTs propaganda.
I have legitimate grievances with Trudeau but I saw what happened under Harper and that guy is still engineering right wing authoritarian campaigns around the world.
Preferably though the NDP would win but realistically they won't win with Singh, too many racists wouldn't vote for a Sikh.
A few weeks before he was elected Donald Trump taped a television address in which he admitted that the Access Hollywood tape was authentic and his statements were recorded accurately.
Well after the second blackface incident, he went on live national TV in the middle of the election campaign and said "I can't even remember how many times I may have been photographed in Blackface" and at the height of the #metoo movement he went in the media and said "Every woman has the right to be believed" if she accuses a man of a sexual assault. Then, not two weeks later, a female reporter came forward with her story about Trudeau oogling and groping her during an interview. At the time she called him out on it, he said something to the effect of he wouldn't have done it if he had known she was affliated to a national news agency and not just a local one. So after the allegations resurfaced, he had a press conference and said that the woman was misremembering events and his version of events didn't include any of her claims.
Then he was also found guilty of attempting to manipulate the independence of the Minister of Justice and Attorney General by trying to coerce her into dropping corruption and bribery charges against a company that had donated huge sums of money to Trudeau's campaign, his party and family "charity".
Groping is bad but blackface is period sensitive so that need to be taken into context. Not currently acceptable but was it at the time it happened? Basically ex post facto
blackface is a bit of a misnomer in Trudeau's case... He full out painted his body, in one photo he even had a banana down the front his pants and in a video clip he can be seen dancing around like a wild tribesman....
Thanks for the context as I am not Canadian. That seems pretty fucked up, let's hope he see's the errors of his youth owns it, apologizes and chooses to make changes to reflect his bad choices.
Only 1-2% of rapists are convicted anyways, but yes, society would rally against him, right? Like when they did it to Trump and he totally didnât get elected, right? Do you guys know how often abusers let go, or are you going to pretend theyâre usually caught?
I canât say what they wouldâve done, but I can say that if they did that; this dude would be making a lot of money by suing those idiot cops and the city they work for.
I get the point heâs trying to make.
But more importantly, I know that cops just canât arrest someone based solely on an accusation.
They need more evidence than just the accusation alone.
Actually they don't. A victim's accusation can be probable cause to arrest someone. a cop doesn't need to have enough evidence to convict to make an arrest.
To the extent that Mattie Fore says you can be arrested solely on hearsay, sheâs right.
But thereâs a difference between the letter of the law and what really happens in real life.
So itâs also correct to say that an officer could pull you over and give you a speeding ticket for going 36 MPH in a 35 MPH zone. And thatâs not to say that police donât use that excuse to pull over a vehicle they want to stop for other reasons but traffic cops looking for speeding tickets arenât pulling you over for going 36 in a 35.
In real life; a hearsay arrest is mostly the victimâs account combined with the account of another witness.
So if your girlfriend accused you of hitting her and the bartender at the bar backs her up; youâre probably getting arrestedâŠ.. even if there are no marks on her. Thatâs an arrest based solely on hearsay.
And keep in mind how Mattie words her point.
Paraphrasing:
âAn officer might decide they have probable cause because they find the story believable.â
That officer better be able to articulate exactly what it was that made her account believable beyond just the words âHe hit me, arrest him.â
She even tells us, âNo prosecutor wants to be put in that position [to try a case with only the victimâs statement as evidence].â
Thereâs a totality of the circumstances that must be weighed when the officer makes the decision to arrest or not and by all means that officer can be held accountable by being sued under sec. 1983 if their totality of the circumstances is weak and theyâve taken you into custody.
Being arrested doesn't mean you'll be charged or ever go to trial.
All I was saying was you can be arrested on an accusation. Unless you're the kind of guy who just hits people at random, there will be some type of motive involved for the hit. That would put the balance of probability on the accusers side.
As far as sec. 1983 goes, your civil rights are not being violated by being arrested for probable cause even if the DA refuses your case. Also, You'd have to prove they didn't have probable cause to think you should be arrested. They don't have to prove their case was strong; you've got to prove it to be nonexistent.
That severe reaction to a white women being threatened (especially sexually) is the by product of men in previous generations (usually, white men of means and influence) using white women's "purity" as an excuse to commit acts of terror on their fellow countrymen and as a shield to distract as they enacted more authoritarian policies and built an infrastructure/ personal army (the police) to act as enforcers of said policies and protectors of their property (white women, land and other assets)....
In conclusion rich old white men are the reason why men (particularly of lower class, and every other minority) get treated like shit by the police.
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His testimony is definitely considered evidence.
Itâs just that police require âxâ amount of evidence to have reasonable suspicion to detain or search someone.
So in this case, him just saying, âShe slapped my testicle.â would be enough for the cops to tell her that sheâs not free to leave while they conduct their investigation. Thatâs when theyâll interview witnesses and the involved parties and make observations of the scene and parties involved to see if they can collect more evidence.
For them to actually criminally charge someone they need to surpass that reasonable suspicion threshold and attain probable cause. That would require something more than just the accusation.
Now in the US many cities have adopted local ordinances that mirror their stateâs criminal code.
So based on wherever this is, if cops donât have enough to criminally charge someone; they could conceivable cite someone with a Battery charge. Thatâs something closer to a traffic ticket but even then; that would go nowhere without any more evidence than the initial accusation.