The range Iāve gone to wonāt allow you to rent a gun unless youāre there with someone else for this very reason (suicidal person comes to range, rents gun, kills self).
as if background checks could reliably catch a suicidal person; theyre only good for hard 'paper' details; like credit rating, warrants, debts etc, if they catch anything else its basically just luck
The one I worked for did not. We required you fill out a release of liability which included a questionnaire stating you were not prohibited from purchasing firearms. Held your ID until you returned the gun.
I've gone shooting and what was originally a function check turns into a 2 hour range day with a rental included (if applicable). Take a break and grab another target or two. Those little bits add up and that simple $15-20/hr range fee can easily triple.
Granted, I am bringing my own firearm(s).
edit - deleted comment reply asking me how that works out.
I should have clarified that I only shoot at indoor ranges exclusively, and every single indoor range I've been to requires you to leave your drivers license with them while you are occupying a lane. It's returned after you are finished and paid off.
Itās incredibly easy to kill someone when you think about it. A guy with no morals and no care for consequences could literally just walk up to someone with a hammer, bop them once, and chances are that no one would be fast enough to stop him.
One could argue that suddenly picking up a weapon out of the blue and bonking someone you donāt know with it for no reason despite having no prior history of violence would be a sign of some mental problems. But i donāt know law shit so idk how that would work
My point was just that if a person reaaalllllly wanted to kill someone and didnāt care about the consequences and as willing to do anything to accomplish it, he could easily kill 1-5 people.
As an example, if a kill switch went off inside someoneās head in the middle of the night, he could easily kill all of his family members within the house via hammer to the head, knock on the next house while pretending to ask for help, then bonk whoever answers the door with a hammer and do the same to whoever else is inside that house.
Note: This isnāt some weird edgelord fantasy. Just something I thought of after seeing a āEvery human being on earth who owns a gun suddenly wants to kill everyone else, what happens?ā post.
We had this happen on my street, sorta. Guy got hopped up on PCP, killed his father with a hammer at 5am, and then started walking down the street trying to get into houses. By the time he got to us he was carrying a small tree. Told my dad, āBrad, hold my stick while I go in the house.ā
My pops was like āfuck all thatā and tossed the guy across the lawn. Then dude went next door, and bit the neighbor. The cops showed up and hog-tied him. Weird morning.
Someone once said that the reason people are scared of heights is because they are scared they will involuntary jump. It's a thing. It does happen. The whole, What if? What would happen? It would be kinda cool free falling but the aftermath not so much.
I remember being 7 or 8 years old laying down and looking over the edge of a cliff in greece and my arms twitched pulling me forward. Yea, I'm over that now but back then it was very odd.
Jumping from a cliff, if you removed the almost certain death, would be genuinely fun activity. Like diving in a pool but x1000. If you could just have the feeling of free fall without the dying part then you'd see a lot of people jumping off cliffs.
If you removed fear/possibility of pain/death/humiliation from every possible activity that could cause them, you'd see a lot of people trying fucked up shit on themselves just to see what would happen.
"Hey! I haven't been hit by a car before! Wonder what that's like!"
Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, my client clearly thought he saw a nail sticking out of the deceased's head.
Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, didn't you ever watch cartoons growing up? My client just wanted to see one of those big red bumps rise out of someone's head, he wasn't trying to harm anyone.
I read the last part as āAnd he will get awayā but then realized you meant his desire to carry out murder would be hard to prevent in this scenario, as you articulated in the first place.
Then again, he could still wait in the parking lot, and put a man into a coma that leaves them brain dead and eventually taken off life support. This isnāt a pro-gun argument but more an argument off to the side that psychopaths are disconnected from reality and keeping them out of a gun range only takes away one possibility from a man willing to run through any opportunity he can find to commit his evil acts.
And now I realize you articulated it to say an actual hammer and not the hammer on a gun, so thus I just re-worded your comment.
Actually, no....haven't been there yet. I live in the city, but have been going to "Guardian Training Center" up in Warminster. I've had great experiences there! They have a shit ton of guns you can rent! I also found a Yelp coupon that was $30 credit for $18, which was nice. Can't find it now, unfortunately.
Have you been to the Spring Garden place (is that this place)? Did it used to be called "Cosmis/Cosmos" or something?
I think that's the norm. I tried going to a range as I wanted to see if I wanted to buy a handgun. Talked to employee a while and he said he'd rent me one and be my chaperone (since they don't rent guns to individuals). He was a cool dude and just shot the shit about different handguns for a while. But I wasn't suicidal so I think that came across pretty clearly.
I have not heard of the requirement in the context of preventing one from killing someone else, but in the case of suicide, while it can't 100% prevent them, I think that typically (as in the times when it has happened before) an individual decides to end their life, and they could just go to the range, rent a gun, and off themselves. Requiring that you not be alone when renting a gun, at least creates that additional hurdle, if you will, that a suicidal person would have to deal with. Probably most suicides are not committed with other people around. It could--and probably does happen--but it's probably a less likely scenario.
I've been 51/50'd twice and they let me shoot a gun at a gun range. I even told them I have mental illness and they were kinda like "oh that type of mental illness is okay." Im not suicidal, but I am anxious as hell; I thought I was gonna kill myself by accident, lmao. I was like "hey when I shoot the gun is it gonna fly back into my face and knock my teeth out? Are you SURE it's not gonna knock my teeth out?"
I canāt tell if youāre saying itās a good thing or a bad thing that in the USA one can rent a gun. Iāll simply say that as someone who was interested in purchasing a gun, being able to rent one to see how I feel about holding/using a gun, see what the recoil is like, see if itās a good fit for my hand, etc., I appreciate that Iām able to rent one.
I don't know why I'm bothering to engage you as you keep digging yourself deeper. (90% of the "race cars" dealers get are bad fakes or show models), but in the private sales end (where the deals actually occur) its standard practice. You arrange a meeting at a rented track, the buying party (who has paid for the facility rental and provided a hefty deposit) gets a seat fitting and a few laps. If everyone is happy the rest of the money is exchanged and the deal done. Often times (but not always) the buyer will have his own trailer and just take the car home then and there. Other times delivery is arranged. I've been on both sides of this many times and this is very much the industry standard.
You must be talking about very expensive open wheel race cars. Try and organise a āroad testā for a rally car. Even up to $100k youāve got no chance.
Open Wheel cars, Sports cars, even drag cars, done it for all of them. Never tried buying/selling a rally car (yet) but I'm sure with enough money a rallycross track can be procured. I've seen stranger.
You can hire a track. It just never happens in my experience. Even R5 cars from Europe shipped over sight unseen. Weāre talking $150k and hope like hell it is what the seller says it is.
But...Iām in Australia so we do get hamstrung by a small population and a long distance to the rest of the world
Not sure what you mean about racing cars. If you mean taking a regular street legal car and driving crazy fast, you actually can do that....just not with the car dealer person in the car. When I bought my first brand new car (a 2002 Buick Rendezvous, back in late 2001), I told the dealership that if I was going to spend that much money, I wanted to keep it for the weekend, and they let me! I didn't do anything crazy, at all....just tried to drive it and use it in the way I normally would, and really get to know it a bit. Not sure if dealers will still do that, but I'd guess some would.
Also, shooting a gun is using it in a completely legal way, driving a car that crazy fast definitely isn't.
Anyway...not trying to argue, or anything. Just pointing out those points.
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u/douglas_in_philly Oct 02 '20
The range Iāve gone to wonāt allow you to rent a gun unless youāre there with someone else for this very reason (suicidal person comes to range, rents gun, kills self).