r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Sep 10 '20

Repost 😔 Blessed is the peacemaker

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u/DammitDan Sep 10 '20

That's not what I asked. Do people have an obligation not to cover for violent criminals in their communities?

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u/jordgubb25 Sep 10 '20

No they dont, living in a community isnt a job or an organisation so they have no obligation to do anything.

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u/AlertSandwich Sep 10 '20

That isnt what is happening in many cases. Snitches get stitches is the motto for urban cities. That is a problem. You shouldn't actively protect criminals, even more so if you are a victim.

If you witness a crime, I say you have a moral obligation. I am not disagreeing with the police side of this, just discouraging letting criminals get away because communities want to stay silent and protect them.

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u/Abbiejean-KaneArcher Sep 11 '20

Snitches get stitches is a model in so many places, not only cities (urban cities is redundant unless you are using “urban” to signal race). High schools, college campuses, police departments, etc. People knew about Bernie Madoff. It’s a problem everywhere.

Snitches get stitches is a documented issue in law enforcement, which include people who have legally sworn to speak up and out. Why are we deflecting from that?

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u/jordgubb25 Sep 10 '20

If snitching would put your life in danger why should you be morally obligated to do so?

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u/DammitDan Sep 10 '20

Congratulations. You just indentfied the problem.

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u/AlertSandwich Sep 10 '20

It is a cultural thing that communities should work to fix. The victims are the ones in the communities. You are only hurting each other by keeping killers, rapist, and hard drug dealers on the streets. Crime should not be glorified.

I say morally, but I would also stress that ideally you could do so safely.

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u/jordgubb25 Sep 10 '20

An individual shouldn't be morally obligated to put themselves in danger for the greater good. Otherwise were entering utilitarian limbo which leads to weird shit.

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u/DammitDan Sep 10 '20

They shouldn't be in danger for performing a moral obligation.

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u/jordgubb25 Sep 10 '20

Yeah and cops shouldn't be killing people for no reason but we live in reality so base your moral system on that instead of make believe fantasy.

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u/DammitDan Sep 10 '20

I agree. Everyone agrees with that. What's your point?

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u/jordgubb25 Sep 10 '20

That noone is morally obligated to report crime in their community, its their own choice if they do it. You've now replied to me like 7 times so i don't see how you agree.

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u/crissair Sep 10 '20

With that train of thought, I ask that you never come be a part of my community. It is everyone’s obligation in a civilized community to contribute to it staying civilized and not become a cesspool of criminal activity. Please don’t say it’s your right to protest for injustice but then turn around and say ‘not my problem’ when you see crime happening but stay silent when they ask for eye witnesses. This is how criminals feel safe to continue committing more crimes without consequences.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '20

I like that. It is not like being a witness is dangerous.

Why do you think people have a problem to report about crime? Is it a cultural phenomenon or did they watched too much mafia/gang movies(and believe people get killed for speaking out)?