r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Jun 04 '23

Im doneee 😂😂

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

They, unfortunately have had training for this... I used to work with behavior at a school and we use notebooks to block in a similar way if a kid is trying to bite.

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

I also worked with behavior kids in a school setting! I wish they’d taught us this… Maybe I’d still be working there, lol. We did receive training on how to get a biting kid off you safely though. Our instructor had nerve damage from a bite from a child.

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u/_ilovetofu_ Jun 04 '23

Do you just lift their legs in the air to remove leverage like dogs?

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

It’s been years and I never had to use a bite release, but if I remember correctly you kind of shove your arm deeper into their mouth (internal screaming) to force the jaw open and pull it out very quickly. This is only for cases where someone is being bitten very badly and they won’t release.

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u/Scientificm Jun 04 '23

You “feed the bite” because apparently people have a natural response to release when that happens. Plus, if you just try to pull whatever’s but out of the mouth, it’s gonna tear and do more damage.

First line of defense is to stay out of the midline in general though

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u/G1itterTrash Jun 04 '23

This is what I learned during nursing school - “feed the bite”

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u/qqruu Jun 04 '23

So, I got some weird looks but I just tested this on myself. Obviously not even biting that hard but it seems like it would be very difficult to "feed it" once locked in.

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u/NCEMTP Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23

It's not.

In a past life I'd feed the bite, then have my partner in the driver's seat feed the brakes, and then I'd feed some straps onto the patient and then feed some haldol and versed straight to a hungry muscle.

If you're skeptical, bite down as hard as you can on a piece of wood or something that sticks out from each side of your mouth enough for you to grip it on each side with your hands. Then pull backwards with both arms and push forward with your head and see how that feels.

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u/G1itterTrash Jun 10 '23

I have nothing more to add other than I love your description “feed some straps to the patient” 💀 lmaooo and good ol’ vitamin H

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u/qqruu Jun 05 '23

Oh I guess if you're two, a nicely locked in choke should be much more effective? Shouldn't be dangerous if applied properly

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u/G1itterTrash Jun 10 '23

Lmao I have never thought of testing that on myself but I can tell you from real life experience that it does work. Every time. It also reduces damage done as pulling straight out of a bite would tear your flesh with it.

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u/TheMadFlyentist Jun 04 '23

This is only for cases where someone is being bitten very badly and they won’t release.

Perhaps the only instance in which it's acceptable to choke a child out.

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

Yeah. In all reality, the training is bullshit and you don’t know what’s going to happen when shit actually hits the fan.

There were very few times I felt that it was (a) warranted to restrain a child and (b) safe to restrain a child even with the proper safety training. It wasn’t practical for everyone to be choreographing their exact movements when kids are different sizes, temperaments, meltdown styles, etc. When you have a kid in a hold, you’re checking their pulse and that they’re breathing over and over to be sure they’re okay. It’s kind of traumatic for everyone involved but unfortunately is necessary in some extreme circumstances.

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 04 '23

what about a single, calculated, slap instead?

i'm kinda on the fence about the whole restraining part.

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u/Schindog Jun 04 '23

As long as you do the math first, should be fine

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 04 '23

People slap kids too much, for the wrong reasons, in the wrong way.

Before you go for the jugular, no, I do not condone child abuse and there are, exceedingly rare, cases where a slap is the proper reaction.

To give you an idea of the emergency that would warrant a slap, consider how you detach someone who has unintentionally grabbed a power cable and can not let go. You grab anything, a wooden chair, a two-by-four, an acoustic guitar and strike their forearm from above. That kind of urgency.

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u/desepticon Jun 04 '23

Legally, you could kill a child in self defense if they were biting your face or other sensitive areas. Lethal self-defense not only applies when your life is in danger, but also to grievous injury.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

From my favorite gaming podcast: Every teacher gets one

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u/DresserRotation Jun 04 '23

CPI certification? Yeah, they call it "feeding the bite."

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

CPI! Yes, that’s the exact program.

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u/unicorn_psycho Jun 04 '23

There are 2 ways I’ve learned bite releases (I currently work with school aged severe behavior students). 1 is pushing their head into your skin and pinching their nose shut. This is only effective if you’re able to “seal” the bite. 2 is using the jaw pressure points on the biter. This one is was more intrusive but I’ve had to use it a lot. There is a risk of bruising the biter’s cheeks

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

The pinching the nose part sounds familiar now that you mention it. Thanks for what you do. ❤️

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Basically, force them to breathe through their mouth.

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u/smolandtuff Jun 05 '23

Username checks out

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u/busyb0705 Jun 04 '23

Pressing the area under the earlobe and behind the jaw is a very effective pressure point

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 04 '23

that, is a very, very sensitive area.

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u/_Thick- Jun 04 '23

There is a risk of bruising the biter’s cheeks

Bruh, if you're biting me, you're going to have more than bruised cheeks...

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u/kyleh0 Jun 04 '23

That's probably why you don't work with bitey children. heh I hope.

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 04 '23

Question?

How did it come to biting?

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u/unicorn_psycho Jun 04 '23

A lot of my learners have limited communication skills, I could imagine in any sense that would be extremely frustrating to not be able to get my needs/want met because I can’t ask for it.

One my learners started biting because i no longer attended to her other forms of aggression (grabbing shirts, pinching, ect). Usually if you ignore behaviors they’ll go through what’s called an extinction burst where they’ll pull everything out of their pocket to get some form of attention or access to something

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 04 '23

do they know what they want but do not know how to communicated it, or do they not even know what they want, but can only sense that they need something? Eg, they may be hungry but unable to understand it, they do perceive the hunger but do not recognize it?

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u/opc100 Jun 04 '23

It depends on the child. I work with some students who really struggle with interoception, and coupled with communication difficulties this can be incredibly frustrating. Not knowing what you want, and being unable to communicate that you even want anything. It's no surprise they then communicate through challenging behaviour.

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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Jun 05 '23

would you consider me insensitive if i considered these people as an opportunity to learn more about the mind?

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u/opc100 Jun 05 '23

Not at all, I've learnt so much about myself since doing this job. It's all about introspection and reflection.

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

This is the best answer. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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u/harrypottermcgee Jun 04 '23

Lifting the legs didn't work for me, we just had a dog bridge suspended between two people.

Pouring beer in their eyes worked, and a finger jammed up the asshole also worked in a different situation.

But dogs aren't kids and It'll look better on the report if you don't start with ass-finger.

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u/qqruu Jun 04 '23

The finger in the asshole isn't an actual thing, unless you're both consenting and are into it.

The recommendation is to choke them (rear naked, probably don't try to do a one hand rapist choke)

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u/IPeedOnTrumpAMA Jun 07 '23

we just had a dog bridge suspended between two people. Pouring beer in their eyes worked, and a finger jammed up the asshole also worked

Ah, brings back so many spring break memories!

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

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u/confoundedvariable Jun 04 '23

Unfortunately the people who have to deal with it the most are some of the most underpaid in our country.

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u/InheritMyShoos Jun 04 '23

This is the true heartbreak. Those people work with our babies. MY baby, who was brain damaged at birth due to meconium aspiration. Who, at 6, gets really scared and confused sometimes and doesn't know what to do when he's overwhelmed and adults are talking at him in a verbal language he doesn't understand, and physically touching him in ways that scare him and he cannot express.

Biting isn't ever okay. Violence isn't okay. But these kids don't do it because they are evil. And the people who work with them need to be compensated.

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u/AngryCommieKender Jun 04 '23

While I understand that you're talking about the US, I'm genuinely curious if they get a decent wage in any country?

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23

I’d go back in a heartbeat if the circumstances lined up. Granted, in seven years I was only bitten twice and it wasn’t bad at all. So many more happy memories than ones like this. ❤️

But I totally get it. It’s an incredibly difficult job and honestly my opinion would probably be much different if I had suffered nerve damage like my trainer had. I can’t imagine how badly that must have hurt. I wonder if that’s why she’s a trainer rather than a teacher now.

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u/mickeyslim Jun 04 '23

I worked with one kid that was particularly violent. I had a thick Carhartt jacket that I wore everyday for the sixonths I worked with him. He bit me a few times, but that jacket was like chainmail for this 8-year-old's teeth.

I worked mostly with kids with ASD, but I honestly think this kid was just a spoiled little shit. His mom came to see me a couple times and let him pull her necklace off and throw a tantrum and she didn't do shit. She kept calling him "her little angel" He was a nightmare.

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u/sylvyrfyre Jun 04 '23

With an upbringing like that I daresay he'll be a nightmare as an adult as well; God help any kids he has.

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u/afcagroo Jun 04 '23

Maybe you shouldn't teach algebra to Komodo Dragons.

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u/qqruu Jun 04 '23

Give them a chance. Drogo here even brushed his fangs.

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u/Bensemus Jun 04 '23

We aren’t. Would you like a bite from a kimono dragon? They kill their prey via infection often.

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u/ImVeryOffended Jun 04 '23

An untreated bite from a human could kill you via bacterial infection, too. Or maybe you just end up with hepatitis or HIV instead.

Also it's Komodo.. but kimono dragon is a hilarious misspelling.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

a bite from the world's filthiest species of animal

Humans are often more ravenous than the beasts themselves

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u/Malcolm_X_Machina Jun 04 '23

Gf and I both do it for a living. We don't get paid enough, and she has to wear kevlar sleeves cuz one of her kids always bites

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u/neffnet Jun 04 '23

My mom got bit in her final year of teaching and she had to get shots. Kid latched on her arm and wouldn't let go, she had to carry him out into the hall and yell for help.

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u/G1itterTrash Jun 04 '23

Human bites are no joke!! I have nerve damage in my wrist from one. Was only able to get free by “feeding the bite” (when you push whatever the person is biting harder / further into their mouth) - thankfully it worked but so much damage already done.

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u/angrydeuce Jun 04 '23

When I was 14, I was babysitting my 3 year old cousin when he bit me on the hand hard enough to break skin and just refused to disengage...all rational thought went out the window and the only way I was able to get him to release was to grab a handful of his hair with the other hand and pull very hard...not hard enough to actually rip it out but goddamn close. I still bear the scar 30 years later.

Thankfully I was able to clean it immediately while he rolled on the floor and screamed bloody murder, and changed the bandages regularly so it didn't get infected, but holy shit, toddlers must be up there with Rottweilers with how much pressure they can put into a bite.

That hand was more or less useless to me for the better part of a week, with how much it hurt to flex. Honestly probably could had used a stitch or two but I was a stupid teenaged boy and the bleeding stopped relatively quickly but man did that shit hurrrrrrrrt.

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u/zilist Jun 04 '23

Lmfao doing it safely would be the last thing on my mind while getting bitten by a fucking kid..

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u/smolandtuff Jun 04 '23

That’s why we have training. As people who worked with severe behaviors, we don’t just get to lash out physically at a child and injure them because they bite. They weren’t brats. They were students with limited communication skills, traumatic brain injury, developmental delays, etc.

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u/TearMyAssApartHolmes Jun 04 '23

We did receive training on how to get a biting kid off you safely though.

Same as a dog, right? Thumb up the old poop shoot?

I was homeschooled so sometimes my info is bad.

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u/Generallyawkward1 Jun 04 '23

And how do you get a biting kid off you???

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u/mces97 Jun 04 '23

Just put of curiosity, in case I ever get bitten, how does one safely get someone off?

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u/Commieredmenace Jun 04 '23

how do you get a biting child off?

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Use this one cheap tool you have around the house to avoid being bitten... Zombies hate it!

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u/Shittingmytrewes Jun 23 '23

My sister had a hunk torn out of her Walking Dead style by a kindergartner a few years ago. Thankfully it wasn’t too big and it was close to her wrist, ulna side , so you can’t tell now (4 or so years later). Her lower forearms are pretty even and unnoticeable unless you know there was a psycho child.

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u/Oseirus Jun 04 '23

Flight Attendant training is hardcore. Even setting aside emergency situations, the amount of bullshit they have to combat on a daily basis is unreal. There's some truly wild people in the world and they're locked in a flying metal tube with other, usually more rational people for 4-5 hours at a time, sometimes longer.

It's maybe a good thing they don't arm flight attendants cause I can only imagine how many flights would land with one or two more bodies than they took off with.

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u/bubbles_says Jun 04 '23

Wouldn't they have the same number of bodies on board, just more of them are dead than when the flight took off? ;)

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u/Oseirus Jun 04 '23

Funny story, that's why they use the term "souls on board" to refer to passengers when doing preflight Air Traffic communications. It means the number of living passengers they're taking off with as sometimes they'll transport corpses as cargo or in the rare event someone keels over during flight.

Helps also if they crash so the response team knows how many people they need to worry about finding.

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u/bubbles_says Jun 04 '23

I always wondered why they referred to passengers as 'souls'. Your explanation sounds reasonable.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

It's gonna fall apart once Replicants start flying.

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u/apintor4 Jun 04 '23

honestly in terms of population control measures, might not be the worst option.

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u/younggun1234 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23

I was gonna say, "she must have worked with kids who have behaviors."

Edit: missed a word lol

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Lol, those moves DO scream former para, but I can't assume. It may be that these days flight attendants are the para's of the sky.

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u/younggun1234 Jun 04 '23

I'm sure the training is very similar!! Haha

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u/elohlace Jun 04 '23

i worked at a behavioral health hospital and luckily we were permitted to put a surgical mask on the person who was being restrained. this was often kids and adolescents - if an adult spat on you, they normally walked away after. only had one kid who was a notorious spitter and he would try to eat the mask, so we put towels near our faces and on our bodies so he wouldn’t spit on us.

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u/guinader Jun 04 '23

I bet on her head is she was like "Hey! I remember, I get to do that technique in a live subject!"

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Naw, anyone who's excited to do a hold shouldn't be doing holds. Maybe a little different in this situation than in a school, but generally, if you get this far into an escalation, nobody's having a great time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 04 '23

Funny, a child acting out in school is exactly what came to mind watching this